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Bobby Hill won’t come to a team where he knows he’s fighting for a spot with Pickett, ANB, Spargo and to a lesser extent Fritsch. It’s good that Chandler is backing himself in to win his spot and he already knows our system. If we really want Bobby Hill we can get him, 17 more than gets it done, he’d have to move to a wing though and then he’s fighting with Langdon and Brayshaw. If he leaves it’ll be for a team where he’s guaranteed a spot, my money’s on North.

Absolutely! Also having Jackson enables Max to make his career longer. Max has greatly improved his resting forward game this year and with Jacko spending more time in the ruck over the next few years it should enable Max more durability playing 70% ruck 30% forward or 60-40 in a couple of years rather than if he is getting beat up in the ruck near 90% game time. Must sign him.

Lol! BT was still calling Jordan Jackson and Jackson Jordan in the last quarter of the year, the disrespect is palpable, but funny, cos they’re both premiership players and BT is a [censored]!

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If we do want to get Taj, and we delist both Hore and Declase so we can take 4 in the national draft (so many ifs at the moment!) would pick 57 get us Taj do you think spirit? It’ll be interesting to see how many picks we use, I guess the club will need to decide whether 49 or 57 or Taj will be of more value than Hore and/or Declase, based on their current lack of signings it looks like maybe they do? Or are we up to something with Hawthorn? There were Gunston rumours mid-year right?

If you check out Premiers table you’ll see Jordan has to be upgraded as like Chandler he’s been offered a two year deal (2023). We have 2-4 spots on our main list (if we delist Hore) and 0-2 cat A rookie spots (if we delist Declase) once JJ is upgraded.

Absolutely right. That pick then counts to our 3 draft picks we must use meaning if we upgrade both Chandler and Jordan, which I’m pretty sure we need to do, then we only HAVE to use 17, I think we’ll use more, but someone was asking about us having to take 3 in the draft and I was explaining that didn’t necessarily mean drafting three new players. Hope that makes sense.

James Jordan. We offered him a senior list deal mid year but we still have to use a draft pick to officially upgrade him this year right?

I particularly love him citing Ed Langdon’s kicking as a reason we couldn’t possibly win the premiership. Had he even watched the first 17 rounds? Ed’s kicking had improved markedly!! It wasn’t even an issue. Our very mild form slump was due to a combination of inaccurate goal kicking and taking time to get the centre square balance right with Viney coming back in, even then we were in positions to win both the Hawks draw and Dogs game had we kicked straight! How can you be an “expert” if you can’t grasp the fundamentals of how the best team is playing? You’re exactly right on what he should chow down on…

We have to use a pick to upgrade JJ and while it’s not completely confirmed it seems likely we also need to use another pick to upgrade Chandler so if that eventuates we only have to take one more player through the draft. In theory we could use just 17 although it seems more likely there will be more, particularly if we delist Hore and/or Declase.

The problem with this is once you have four A-rookies, rookie A spots 5-6 still prevent you from having main list spots 37-38 so moving him to the rookie list doesn’t necessarily free up a spot. Unless we can Category B rookie him? But I don’t think we can as in my understanding it’s reserved to athletes from other codes. Thats in addition to the draft issue Premiers raises above.

The reason I was given that it’s definitely senior list was that there are limits on one year contracts and salary for rookies and Chandler signed for two years and needed to be offered senior list money to have him stay. Could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it’s a two year deal for senior list. It’s not in the announcement but it is in the Herald Sun and was on trade radio, also getting it second hand from someone who’s usually right about these things.

Hi Premiers, thanks for your fantastic work. I’m hearing that Chandler will be upgraded as part of this signing so I had the following, I seem to have one less main list than you atm, who have I missed?: Main list 34 players: May, Salem, Harmes, Petracca, Jackson, Viney, Lever, Spargo, Brayshaw, Gawn, Bedford, Oliver, Hibberd, Langdon, Laurie, Bowey, Melksham, Rosman, Tomlinson, Jordan, Rivers, TMcDonald, Weideman, Hunt, Neale-Bullen, Fritsch, Sparrow, Baker, Petty, Pickett, Chandler, JSmith, BBrown, Dunstan 35 = Hore??? Rookie A: Daw, DSmith, MBrown, Turner 5= Declase?? So we have between 2-4 main list spots to fill and 0-2 category A rookie spots to fill, we can then take an additional 2 category B rookies regardless to take the list to 44. We have to take at least pick 17 + upgrading JJ and Chandler. If we keep Hore we will take pick 17 and can either draft two more to our main list or a combination of one rookie and one main list. If we keep Hore and Declase as a rookie we will take pick 17 and can draft one more main list or take one more rookie A. If we delist both Hore and Declase we can draft pick 17 + 3 more players either 3 main list or 1 main list 2 rookies A or 2 main list one rookie A. I need a lie down…

If we delist one of Hore or Declase we can take pick 17, Taj and Andy and keep one of Hore or Declase as it stands. Or delist both Hore and Declase and take 17, Taj, Andy and one more player if that eventuates.

Ok so it was driving me mad so I did some work. As it stands we have: Main list 34 players: May, Salem, Harmes, Petracca, Jackson, Viney, Lever, Spargo, Brayshaw, Gawn, Bedford, Oliver, Hibberd, Langdon, Laurie, Bowey, Melksham, Rosman, Tomlinson, Jordan, Rivers, TMcDonald, Weideman, Hunt, Neale-Bullen, Fritsch, Sparrow, Baker, Petty, Pickett, Chandler, JSmith, BBrown, Dunstan 35 = Hore??? Rookie A: Daw, DSmith, MBrown, Turner 5= Declase?? The main list can be up to 36-38 depending on whether you take 4-6 category A rookies. So we have between 2-4 main list spots to fill and 0-2 category A rookie spots to fill, we can then take an additional 2 category B rookies regardless to take the list to 44. We have to take at least pick 17 + upgrading JJ and Chandler. If we keep Hore we will take pick 17 and can either draft two more to our main list or a combination of one rookie and one main list. If we keep Hore and Declase as a rookie we will take pick 17 and can draft one more main list or take one more rookie A. If we delist both Hore and Declase we can draft pick 17 + 3 more players either 3 main list or 1 main list 2 rookies A or 2 main list one rookie A. I need a lie down…

It’s worth noting though because the total list size between your main list and cat A rookies can’t exceed 42 (+ 2 cat B rookies for 44) we can EITHER put two players on our main list or draft one main list and one rookie. We can’t fill all four positions. Just to clarify we currently have 36 on our main list (including Chandler and JJ’s upgrades), we can go to 38. We have four rookies in cat A (MBrown, Daw, Smith, Turner) so we could in theory go to 6, but only if we keep our main list to 36.

Assuming Hibbo has re-signed as reported we have: 2 main list spots, 1 if we recontract Hore 2 A Rookie spots, One if we re-rookie Declase 2 B Rookie spots

I thought Lockhart was mighty stiff. Was best 22 until the [censored] incident in the pre-season against the doggies. I guess with Bowey going past him and Hunt ahead of him all year that’s why he had to go? Is there any chance we use our one free rookie spot to re-rookie Jay? Baker was ordinary against North in his one AFL game this year, but I’ll back our development crew in, he’s behind a few blokes but if he becomes a quality winger it’s still one of the very few areas we’re a bit shallow.

At the moment with JJ and Chandler to be elevated we have 4 A rookies, 5 if we retain Declase. So 1 free main list spot (pick 17 atm) 1 Free A rookie spot, and both our category B rookie spots. So if Hore goes we can draft two players in addition to using two picks to upgrade Chandler and Jordan. It might be an anxious wait for young Marty as it could come down to who Taylor and co think we can get at 37.

Hore is on the main list. Doing some reading on the excellent Demonland list management thread it looks like you’re right. Although there are several reports of Hibbo getting another year, I can’t find the actual announcement. It seems we have Declase as the only rookie not extended, and Hore waiting on his fate. As you say we need to upgrade Chandler and JJ which leaves us with only one pick to use (17) but possibly with Hore going we could draft another (if he’s on the main list?)?

Great result. Happy to see us fight off competition for Chandler and the others can play roles if their development continues and they are needed. Melbourne has re-signed seven players ahead of the 2022 season So does that just leave Declase unsigned? With Jones, Vanders, Jetta and Lockhart off the main list and Nietsche and Bradke off the rookies we will use 3 draft picks at this stage with Dunstan coming in and potentially two rookies? Is that right?

One of the unexpected joys of the great many joys of this premiership has been laughing at these so called “experts” back-track on their Melbourne-hate laden commentary. Buckenara has been one, he hates the Dees, he’s been pathetic in his analysis of our lists over many years, his failure to rate Trac, Lever, May and Oliver for starters. Like many in the AFL media he hates us and has traded on the ‘Melbourne will inevitably fail’ narrative that has pervaded all commentary on our Dees. I think we all know why this exists, and in the past it’s been deserved but it has genuinely prevented a lot of football minds from viewing us objectively. I’ve been going back through watching all our games this year (I mean, why wouldn’t you?!) and it’s really interesting listening to the commentary and thinking back on all the experts this year, Whately, Derwayne Russell, David King, that [censored] BT, Jimmy Bartel, they all refused to believe Melbourne was capable of anything even when we were 11-1. Listening to the commentary of BT screaming “I just don’t believe they’re good” when we’re 30+ points up on Carlton in round 9 is particularly funny now. Even in the second half of the season there was this begrudging acknowledgment that Melbourne was good but a constant narrative that others were better and we would fall down when it counted. Ahhhh the schaudenfreuder! For me the biggest [censored] of all is Matt Rendell, I listen to draft radio as I love footy but why does anyone listen to a word this guy says? Picked 3 of the top 8 this year, had the premiers 15th losing our coach in the first half of our season and in the greatest [censored] move of all still had us unable to win the premiership with a list that’s not good enough in round 17!!! Check this out: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/28/the-biggest-worry-for-melbourne-right-now/ Also just last week the genius Rendell declared Max Gawn had “done his job” as captain and was one of 16 captains who could lose the role next year. Also didn’t have him in the top 3 captains in the AFL. The Melbourne hate lives on in surreptitious ways. Bring it on! Let’s prove him wrong again! MATT RENDELL = [censored]

Great win, clinical, super consistent, better all over the ground. As much as I hate the channel 7 commentary team it was hilarious listening to BT trying to justify his love for the dogs tonight, my favourite was when he said ‘this will make it tough for the dogs’ when we went 41 points up with 14 minutes left, ahhhh yeah we’re double their score mate! Flat track bulldogs, sorry I mean bullies anyone? We’re 5-0 against the top 9, Dogs are 3-2. Pretenders. Go Dees! The one downer is the loss of Langdon, massive out, any chance Viney gets up ??????

The way this commentary team talks about the bulldogs you’d think they were five goals up! Not getting totally outplayed and down by 4 goals. Anytime we get down in a game the commentary team go on about “trouble for the Dees etc” dogs get pantsed and they still talk like Carlton should be worried. Hilarious.

Yeah I agree on Melksham which is why I think he stays in, he adds a midfield rotation which is valuable. But he was close to our worst, particularly in the first half this week so if he keeps that up I think another small forward might be more value? Petty’s second half was good against Hawthorn, but his first half wasn’t AFL standard. Tom has been in great form all year and I think a lot of his deficiencies from when he used to play back have improved. I’m nervous about Petty. Hopefully he plays a blinder and the three tall forwards rip it up and smash the swans. I just hope match committee aren’t being too stubborn re Tom back. One other little thing is that when Jacko goes in the ruck and Gawn rests forward the Gawn/Brown forward fifty looks a lot less mobile and provides a lot less pressure than the Gawn/McDonald forwardline. Perhaps Ben Brown needs to get up the ground when Max is forward? We shall see I guess.