nutbean

In fairness though - he left as he thought he had more left to offer on the field and the club didn't - the MFC were right in this. However I do draw the difference between the club then and now and point to Daniel Cross - I think Crossy thought he had more to offer on the field but we quietly moved him from on-field to off-field.

I would suspect zero chance. Roos has been big on trying to take pressure off the likes of draftees, Watts and even wins ( his first two years he constantly talked about commitment to improvement rather than wins) - to have Jack in the leadership group would fly in the face of how he operates.

Make him fly Jetstar...that is what i call torture.

I must admit when I read both articles the size of the poverty problem was what resonated with me.

I would suggest full of insight ( ill take myself off to the non football board now)

it actually doesn't say that - it says that 62 richest people are as wealthy as half the worlds population which is very different from the 62 richest people own half the worlds wealth. i have no idea if the figures in the article are true but it is a frightening figure.

The above post was this year - below is last years article http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2014/01/23/the-85-richest-people-in-the-world-have-as-much-wealth-as-the-3-5-billion-poorest/#1e443797324b

is that allowed ?

What does the entire post mean....

So what your saying is the trade would never happen. Trading Fyfe out ? Freo would never do it. Interestingly Freo offered a first rounder this year and next year for McCarthy - although the first round pick was pick 22. Hogan is worth way more than McCarthy in my biased opinion - so it begs the question - what would it take ? I honestly don't think that a deal could be done.

Hence my new found fickleness - I love every player knowing they could be gone next season and my love for them with it !

I do agree that we can never be sure what makes individual's tick. I do believe that players will rarely stay on offers for massive unders ( I do stress "massive" as a lot of clubs will offer more to get a player out of their existing club and players may stay stay for somewhat less due to friendships/relationships. Certainly premiership or near premiership teams have kept lists together for less money because of the nearness of the goal). Jones stayed two contracts ago when he played hardball with us against an offer from Essendon. There was some angst on these very boards as he kept negotiations going longer than many on here liked. I think Watts is quite interesting as I think he is highly intelligent and I believe he is acutely aware that hasn't delivered to what he this his potential is at the club and wants to. But yes some have stayed with little fanfare during our down times. I think the landscape has changed remarkably in the last couple of seasons in that players are much more willing to pull up stumps for either money or perceived success and most clubs now negotiate the players release (Cam McCarthy being the obvious exception). When palyers can move so easily, I believe that the lure of success is becoming more important which is why the Hawks have been so successful luring players to them. But you are right - we don't know what motivates each individual.

I thought Stef always showed a bit but he would keep getting himself injured - never really got a good run at it... Fitzy - well..he showed a few glimpses but not to the extent of Stef.

I think WYL may mean this ? ( which is a little different but scary none the less) http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined

I also think he will be financially taken care of. I won't necessarily suggest it is about wins but certainly it is about direction. That anyone wanted to come our club after year one of Neeld still amazes me. I think we were somewhat of an unknown entity first year of Roos but I have never been more comfortable with what has been put in place both on and off field. We have had the discussion around development in the past - but I firmly believe that we threw young raw talent into a cesspool of a club with no real development path. That is not the case today. We are set up for success. So the last piece of puzzle is upward trajectory and that is all down to the players. They are being coached and developed well, given time where necessary - so they now they must deliver. I don't think that any Melbourne supporter is tipping us to go backwards - everything is pointing to improvement and the outcome of improvement is more wins. That improvement is what i hope will keep Jesse with us.

Do we know what Cripps has been offered ? Maybe all his expectations including monetary, have been met. I hate the word mercenary but if getting the best deal for a player is mercenary then Hogan will be mercenary. Players usually fall into two categories and that is dictated by demand and supply. The likes of Hogan and Brayshaw will be able to make demands of the club as they will be in demand. The likes of Michie and Spencer pretty much must take what the club is offering. It is then up to both club and player to decide if their stars are aligned. Whilst I am not an advocate of trying squeeze every last cent out of a club I would suspect that very few players do not get their actual worth.

correct - but for too long we have been pinning our hopes on footballers who have yet to kick a ball in the big time. Because the good teams have so many established stars they don't get angry in the pants over their draftees like we have for many years. We are now talking about getting excited about the improvement in players already on our list and Oliver has hardly been mentioned. To me this highlights that our list is finally on the up.

They only sell International Roast therefore Jesse is a monty to stay in Melbourne.

spot on and that is how it should be....

The Ox also doesn't cause the same divide as Lyon and over the journey he has been as critical of the club as Lyon has been. I think another poster also nailed it that the Footy show is so horrific, Lyon is tarred with that brush.

Playing football professionally is a job like any other - albeit very well paid. There are insurances in place. The insurance premium would reflect the risks involved with football. Blease is claiming compensation and the lawyers look to verify the claim - as every claim made ( as you would suspect a claim of this sort that has ongoing ramifications would be for a significant amount) would have impact on premiums going forward. IMO It has zero to do with taking responsibility - it is an "injured in the workplace" discussion. The only thing that has me a little puzzled is that it appears insurances are held by the AFL rather than at club level - I would have thought that it would have been a club insurance as each club has different risk profile - for example - the interstate clubs that travel every other week would have a higher risk than the Melbourne based clubs. Also clubs with state of the art facilities would have lower risk profile than when we trained in the old sheds at Junction Oval. Although the lines would become blurred as the AFL is responsible for safe grounds http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-23/afl-players-could-sue-over-docklands-surface/877720) FYI - when you play any organised sport down to the lowest levels for a club, part of your annual fee goes to insurance against injury be it short or long term.

I get that a lot.

I think its a bit rich derailing this thread with an actual training report....

Agreed with what you say and as much as it hurts - The likes of Lyon and the Ox giving us a slap have been warranted...

I'll give it a shot. He was involved in two coaching appointments - one that wrong and one that went horribly wrong. Rightly or wrongly he is closely associated with the perception of the old boys club that ruled at the MFC prior to the PJ administation. Lastly, he speaks his mind freely on what is/has been wrong with the club and that doesn't sit well with some. Because of his media profile he has not always been backwards in giving us a slap ( as opposed to Eddie who is so biased in everything that comes out his mouth that he would never be critical of his own club). I have little doubt as to GL's love and commitment to our club.