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Jones is done. And if he's getting a game we are done. Too old, too slow. And all this BS about subbing him on for the last few mins of the GF. Pretty sure even he'd find that insulting. There's a hell of a alot of water to pass under the bridge yet before we're thinking of any bloody GFs anyway. Let's just concentrate on getting over Essendon this week.

Of course you should start one. Love those threads. A few opinion here we need to stamp out if we're serious. The oppositions supporters see it and so will the opposition players. We've gotta have these lower teams beaten mentally before we even run onto the ground. * We can win one, or even both [Ed other being Geelong next round]. Melbourne are more likely, and l see signs of the beginnings of their brittle self doubt emerging. It is a common affliction every season, and is very apparent when the ski season opens. * Melbourne still have it in them to completely Essington their season. I’d love for us to get the ball rolling. * Melbourne are slowly showing signs of going full Melbourne… it’s winnable but need to be cleaner than tonight. * We always think we’re a chance against the Dees.

Must win game. If we get rolled by this mob I'm gettin' off the forken bandwagon. Must reassert ourselves pronto.

Used to hope the MFC scouts would spot me doing the same after games at the 'G' as a young bloke ?

Can't stand Duckwood but I often feel for the top players. Grow up dreaming of playing AFL footy and when they get there find themselves being assaulted by an opposition goon every week. I'm sure they learn a dirty little trick or 2 from being targeted by taggers throughout their careers. Can remember some of the sheet Aaron Davey used to cop for eg. Watched Baker from St.Kilda belting Davey from behind in the ribs everytime the umpire was bent over while bouncing the ball one game. Of course the ump saw nothing. And with no support form his teammates Davey lost interest in playing footy. And that wasn't the only time I saw Davey getting the treatment. In those days if you stopped Davey the opposition knew we had nothing else. Little wonder some others with a bit more aggression start repaying favours.

Not gonna hold that against him. That's why you play AFL .... Isn't it?

The absolutely must win game for the rest of the season as far as I'm concerned. At the very top of my hate list.

With the standard of umpiring these days it'd be a slippery slope for the AFL to go dropping umps for incompetence. Some weeks they wouldn't have enough umpires to put on the field. And when it all boils down they are trying to enforce some stupid rules implemented by the AFL.

It's time Weideman - Omitted Brown - IN

Fish fingers in the George Foreman. Salad .... Pffft.

Stand alone game on national TV. The boys will take this seriously regardless. They're enjoying making statements with the football world watching these days. I know I'm enjoying watching them do it.

I'll take Wang over Melbourne any forken day.

Good call ?

Overrated according to Clarkson when they were winning flags too.

That one still gives me the sheets. All the Hoo Ha about how they won it from 8th or whatever. Got lucky. They shoulda been out.

Carlton must just bleed watching him.

We shall see man. I do know what you mean about Dusty though. Reckon if he wasn't there they'd have none.

We ran into Hawthorn in '88. Essendon in 2000. Both the the dominant teams of those eras. I've had a premonition we're gonna meet Richmond. The dominant team of this one. Can feel it in my bones.

Still .... He'd be probably getting at least 300K for both. 6mths of the year off. No pressure, etc, etc.

Was listening to Lyon today on MMM. Is playing the Roos card. Saying he'll happily meet with them but not really interested. Working 7hrs a week special comments game days and another 6 for Talking Footy. I can't understand why any club would want him to be honest. Gets decent results but turns clubs unwatchable IMO.

Lets face it. Both these side have proved themselves recently. We are yet to do so.

Sure helps for my reasons above. Also helps when the rest of the competition is hobbled in the draft and you're cherry picking players chasing success from opposition clubs. Same goes for Geelong through the same time period.

Easier to be a genius when you pick up players like Franklin, Hodge, Roughead, Rioli, Lewis and Mitchell in successive drafts then have the rest of the competition hobbled by the expansion teams of GC and GWS while you're on top. I won't be convinced of his genius till he does it again. Either with Hawthorn or some other club.

If the captain wasn't letting the umps know I'd be disappointed.

I've got a Carlton supporting mate and often see his and other supporter posts on Carlton FB forums. Reminds me of ours here and on FB even as recently as last year. Hell, just gotta read the match day threads here now and people revert back quickly during games if things aren't going our way. Anyway, told him pretty much exactly what you stated when he wanted to get rid of the coach a month or so ago. Having said that. Long may they wallow down the bottom.