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To me it just feels like a watershed moment for footy club culture as far as peer group pressure v personal responsibility and leadership trust v individual careers. I can't remember another time like this where the trust of players has been so comprehensively destroyed. Footy players everywhere will see the players being banned and not avoiding responsibility and it will change the dynamic of the group think and blind trust in leadership that as been a hallmark of clubland since footy began.

Ok, I'll put it more simply for you two so you can keep up. I'm not defending anyone. I'm not saying the players didn't do anything wrong. They did wrong, they've been banned. You can either keep going over the same points you've been making for the last 12 months and repeat your same tired opinions (you two are experts at that), or you can take it to a NEW discussion about the implications this has on footy, club culture, leadership trust etc... Now I know you two are the resident angry old fist-shakers, but how about we talk about implications and where this takes footy rather than go over the same stuff ad nauseam. Or just keep going as you like so you can get your post count up and listen to yourselves speak.

Missing the point of a post where I'm explaining how another posters missed the point... Congratulations, you win derp of the week.

Use your brain for once mate. Nowhere have I defended illegal drugs being used. Think past your usual rage and disgust at anything to do with football and realize my point is about the implications this whole situation will have on club culture and the trust of leadership. Simple bloody minds.

For the simple minded maybe. You can keep shaking your fist all you like, I'd rather use this event to have a constructive discussion about footy club culture, the blind trust of leadership that's expected and what this means to those things.

Yeah I'm not sure you're the best person to discuss things with that aren't black and white. You've already missed the point of my post about the culture of footy clubs.

I think that's too much of a black and white look at a situation which hopefully leads to constructive discussions about the culture of footy clubs.

Yeah, I guess I see it differently. I have a lot of sympathy for the players. We all know what footy clubs are like, you are expected to trust the coach, believe what he says and do what you're told. I can't help but feel that kind of pressure tipped most players into not asking questions and towing the line, even more so if they felt their careers were on the line. I don't believe the players willingly cheated and were duped into it by the coach and whichever admin staff knew what was actually happening.

So out of curiosity, how many of those saying this is now a disastrous trade would have expected pick 25 in a weak draft to be a regular 22 player in their first year? We've got at least 2 experienced AFL people at our club who would have known what went on at Essendon and that Melksham would likely miss a year, so not sure why everyone is acting like we were blindsided by this. Although those people are probably the same ones who were bagging out Mahoney at the start of the trade period without realizing there was a bigger picture.

Not the specific incident, but it's common knowledge certain players are targeted as part of tactics, Watts obviously was that day.

Read this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

Interpretation is funny isn't it? How often has the above been used as an insult against a player...

Guess Ablett better retire then....

Sorry, to clarify, that wasn't intended as a counter to what you said, rather just a continuation of the conversation.

We have a plan. We didn't trade up to pick 3 and give away next year's first rounder just to be seen to be doing something. Either 3 or 7 will be a KPF, and wouldn't surprise me if it's pick 3.

There is 0 chance we'll take two mids. It's obvious to every footy watcher Hogan needs quality support, and Taylor, Mahoney & Viney have all talked about how we're building the list to be a group that comes through together. Currently our key forward options (aside from Hogan) are: Dawes - tries his guts out, body keeps letting him down Pedo - Not best 22, will be 29 when next season starts and will struggle with the new interchange rules Frost - Clearly not a forward, will play back TMac - We're not going anywhere if we experiment with him forward again Dunn - Has been better in defence, also turns 29 early in the season Garland - Been done, experiment worked once King - Not ready, might not ever be We will be taking a key forward with one of those top 10 picks. It's a certainty.

I think some are thinking Parish is an outside player because he has good skills. He's a tough ball winner as well. I know some Dees fans are a bit wary due to "skinny skillful" players we've taken in the past, but Parish is a different type to those. And yeah, I'm the same with late bolters. I think we get sick of talking about the same players so every year a few names pop up late to keep the interest up.

Or a Viney, Brayshaw, Jones, vandenBerg... That's why I'm leaning towards Parish seeing the only similar-ish ones we have are Vince (who's 31 next year) and Tyson (who I'm backing to step up, but hasn't made as big an impact as we would have liked).

Scully maybe, but completely different build to Toumpas and Gysberts.

"If Weideman can run close to level 13 in the beep test today clubs believe it would quell fears he has “red zone” endurance. Weideman was in Eastern Ranges’ top-five runners as a 16-year-old before suffering an iron deficiency and ankle problems." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2015-sam-weideman-to-undergo-aflsupervised-testing-essendon-eyeing-clayton-oliver-ryan-burton/news-story/17d4412f18dba0cdba3ce5baf7543afd

But what if it's more of an impact of the iron deficiency he's had for a couple of years (before the ankle injury)?

Not sure I see the point in that...

On Demonland you either grow another layer of skin or another face... I know which one of those a lot here have done.