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Feel free to link to the post where I said "cheating is cool". Hypocrite.

Wrong. Your logic was obviously about the fact we traded for someone who can't play for a year. Don't try and retrospectively go back and say "oh what I was saying was this" because that's not the case at all.

"For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at" Hogan - missed his first year Petracca - missed his first year Trengove - hasn't played since 2014 Frost - missed nearly all of his first year with us Gawn - barely on the park his first few years It's your own "logic" mate, if you think it's "censored" then you're giving a clear indication of how much sense you're actually making.

So drafting Hogan was a complete [censored] up? Petracca too? Gawn, Trengove and Frost can go on that list as well then....

Yes, because that's exactly what I said "the AFL industry as a whole wasn't surprised...." FMD It's funny seeing these types of posts repeatedly from the same posters who constantly accuse others of misquoting their posts, changing their points or putting words in their mouths.

4 year contract. Michie re-rookied. Bugg brought in. More mature bodies brought in. You honestly don't think they would have considered this possibility? What exactly do you think these guys do all day?

And once again you do exactly the thing you accuse others of and put a totally different in the mouths of other posters. Hypocrite.

Exactly. A 4 year contract is a pretty clear indicator of that too.

PS - You got one part right though.

Hahahaha If you're going to do the exact same thing you're accusing me of, at least don't do it in the same post.

Yeah you're right smart/tough guy on the internet, only you saw it coming and none of Roos, Jackson, Mahoney, Goodwin, Viney or McCartney had even heard of CAS before they heard Melksham was going to miss games.... Not sure you actually read anyone else's posts or just re-read your own over and over again nodding your head in ever growing aggreance with yourself, but a lot of posters have suggested the trade for Melksham is now a bust because he will miss a year. Just to bring it down to basics for you, I've compared that to the fact we've had (and still have) plenty of young players who have missed a year or more through injury and have still provided value. Ironic that you will miss the point while tripping over yourself to argue that I've missed the point. As for the "bolded bit"... Did you think we brought in a 24 year old on a 4 year contract without it being with a view to the long haul? Yeah you're right, that was probably all part of Roos' great cover up and hoodwinking of the supporters...

Yeah, look the way I see it, Roos, Mahoney, Jackson, Goodwin & McCartney aren't blind naive amateurs (like some are trying to make out), and signing him for 4 years is a clear indication that we were in for the long haul and considered at his age we would still get value out of him even if he missed a year. Mahoney and Viney have made it clear our list strategy is building a young list that comes through together, so I don't think they will be pulling their hair out that a 24 year old missing for 2016 will cost us a flag. Long term view people.

"Cut our losses"? Get rid of a 24 year old who will miss one season? Guess we better get rid of Trengove, Hogan, Petracca, Gawn and Frost as well then if we're going to "cut our losses" with young players who miss a lot of footy. "Didn't do our homework"?! Really? McCartney and Goodwin were both at Essendon and Roos, Mahoney & Jackson aren't exactly rank amateurs. That combined with the fact that we signed him for 4 years and Roos has already said we got him for the long haul should tell you something. Not that I expect you to listen to obviously less savvy footy operators than you, which AFL club do you run again?

Right, so you want your cake and to eat it too? You want to call the trade itself a horrible trade because he'll miss a year, but then you want to delist him and get absolutely nothing now for the trade. Baffling logic.

Hogan missed a year, Petracca too, were they bad draft choices now using the same logic?

You know his salary how exactly?

Spot. On. Melbourne Coach Paul Roos said: “Jake was recruited to our Club for the long term."

Maybe tell your mate Bub that.

4 year contract. Also: Melbourne Coach Paul Roos said: “Jake was recruited to our Club for the long term." But yeah, I'm sure it's totally caught them by surprise....

Really? Do you actually remember what this thread is about? (Here's a hint: check out the title of it)

To me it just feels like a watershed moment for footy club culture as far as peer group pressure v personal responsibility and leadership trust v individual careers. I can't remember another time like this where the trust of players has been so comprehensively destroyed. Footy players everywhere will see the players being banned and not avoiding responsibility and it will change the dynamic of the group think and blind trust in leadership that as been a hallmark of clubland since footy began.

Ok, I'll put it more simply for you two so you can keep up. I'm not defending anyone. I'm not saying the players didn't do anything wrong. They did wrong, they've been banned. You can either keep going over the same points you've been making for the last 12 months and repeat your same tired opinions (you two are experts at that), or you can take it to a NEW discussion about the implications this has on footy, club culture, leadership trust etc... Now I know you two are the resident angry old fist-shakers, but how about we talk about implications and where this takes footy rather than go over the same stuff ad nauseam. Or just keep going as you like so you can get your post count up and listen to yourselves speak.

Missing the point of a post where I'm explaining how another posters missed the point... Congratulations, you win derp of the week.

Use your brain for once mate. Nowhere have I defended illegal drugs being used. Think past your usual rage and disgust at anything to do with football and realize my point is about the implications this whole situation will have on club culture and the trust of leadership. Simple bloody minds.

For the simple minded maybe. You can keep shaking your fist all you like, I'd rather use this event to have a constructive discussion about footy club culture, the blind trust of leadership that's expected and what this means to those things.