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vandenBerg.

You've still gotta be winning games while kids develop though, and I think this year has shown us we went to kid focused with our rookies.

I don't disagree that he may develop into a good player, but I feel like we've been found out a bit this year when hit by injuries. I'd just like to have 2 developing kids and 2 ready to go types who deserve a chance.

Just my opinion guys. For mine, I just feel we need a 50/50 balance of young developers and more mature looking for a shot types on the rookie list and I have King and Harmes ahead of White at this stage. And yes, I have seen him play.

Not developing quickly enough for mine, especially given we already have slow burners in King and Harmes who are way ahead of him. Personally I'd rather someone a year or two older so we don't get found out so badly for injuries next year.

What about the rookies guys? vB to be elevated, and maybe White gone?

Do you seriously have a quote of yourself as your sig? Hahahahahaha

I sense a Demonland bet coming up.....

Would be good for our midfield mix.

I don't mean that type of player, I mean that type of pick up. Ready to go but not getting the opportunity.

I had my fingers crossed for Shiel... dammit. I feel like something is in the works but it might not be someone any of us thought of. Think Vince & Tyson but better. I could list off players I would like (Sloane, Danger, and on and on) but I don't see it being someone obvious, possibly someone still contracted even. I also think we'll pluck someone not getting an opportunity at GWS, GC, or even Sydney.

We'll never develop the young guys properly if they don't have some mature quality around them. We need a genuine A grader, another Vince type, and another vandenBerg/Newton type IMO.

Strongly disagree. Midfield, midfield, midfield is the focus for mine.

A fair few were actually. Plus, it's our lack of spread and run without the ball that is effecting that mostly.

8 contested possessions. More than McDonald, Howe, Lumumba, Dunn, Brayshaw, Hogan and a fair few others....

21 touches at 81%.

Your Toumpas bias is getting tedious.

Winning will get us more young members, and at the moment Howe isn't helping us do that. Plus, we have Hogan, Garlett, Viney and more who are pretty popular with the kids too.

I'm not saying I want to trade every single other player, I'm just saying I wouldn't even entertain offers for the guys listed. I think guys like Frost, Kent, Tyson, Jetta, Garlett, vB, are really important players for us and a big part of our future, I just don't think they've stamped themselves as absolute untouchables just yet.

I'd gladly trade a poster boy for a monster. I'm grateful for Howe's speccies because they wallpaper over the fact that he's pretty useless otherwise.

I like Tyson, but I've been a bit underwhelmed so far.

For me, it's not just about skill. Viney is untouchable for the same reason Jones is, he provides us with a bit of heart which is something we can't afford to trade away.

Thought about it. I like him, I just wouldn't put him in the totally untouchable group..... yet.

Let's be honest here.... Totally untouchable: Jones, Hogan, McDonald, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem. I'd trade anyone else for the right offer. Let me say that again before anyone arcs up, the right offer.

If they can't break into a team that struggles to win more than 4 games do you think they're worth keeping then?