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So what specifically was the difference in Fyfe's build to (say) Morton and Watts that indicates that one will be able to bulk up and the other can't?

How can you tell? What particular attributes indicate easily bulking up compared to someone who won't? Can you give an example of someone in the ND who won't bulk up based on their "frame"?

Einstien, any relation to Einstein? Hope so. Listen Razzle, I'm confused. How can you have "absolute" faith in Roos and then disagree with the decision. Do you ever think about what you write? And really, are you suggesting that I should ignore the decision of Roos, Viney, Taylor, O'Donnell, Goodwin and McCartney because you and many other supporters don't agree with a second rounder for Melksham? Let's see, Goodwin and McCartney spend years coaching him. O'Donnell will have seen him play many many times. Roos, Viney and Taylor work full time in footy. But no, Razzle Dazzle is upset and says we shouldn't trade a second rounder for him based on what? What do you bring to this debate that our FD doesn't? I'm not thrilled but I'll at least recognize the collective wisdom that made the decision is light years ahead of anything I know and will read here and therefore I'll back them. So in short, I can understand you don't expect me to work out "why" you and other supporters think. I think the reaction here is just dumb.

No faith in Roos Dazzle. Who would have thought.

Does anyone know the contract status of Jayden Hunt. I think he's out of contract and if they wanted him you'd have expected him to have signed along with White, Stretch, ANB and King. What are people's thoughts?

I'm in the minority that think this will be a good decision. Now I'm on record.

Wrecka what attributes does he have that would allow him to transfer his form at WAFL level to AFL. For example Vanders had pace and clean hands whereas someone like Adam Fisher, although prolific at VFL level didn't have the pace to succeed at AFL level. That's what Taylor will be looking for - AFL attributes. Does Menegola have them?

I'm with you but sadly we don't get a say.

Does anyone know the format of the B&F count? If points are awarded to every player when they play that will not do Jack any good. If it's top 6 getting votes he could well surprise. He's been outstanding in my view.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

I've been trying to imagine what sort of player Christian may turn out to be. I saw he train last year a few times and the best two comparisons I can come up with are Colin Sylvia and Jack Darling. For those that saw him at junior level how would you characterize him and what role do you see him playing immediately and in the longer term?

Stretch was never involved in Hollywood boulevard, that was more the precinct of Lovett G, Stynes and Tingay along with the others you mention. The people involved were very good players but I hope we never see The Boulevard again.

I never used the word in this thread. Jabber used the word "group-thinkers", I didn't.

Thanks for your input. Can you show me where I used "groupthink" in this thread? Frost went from someone we wanted to a terrible trade because we paid too much to someone who was really good all pretty much following what happened. The point I was making was that as The Saints are now rationalizing McCartin over Petracca we did pretty much the same with our picks and the Frost thread is a good example. You really need to stop telling me to drop groupthink particularly if I don't use the word or the concept in a thread. I accept that you don't think groupthink exists here. I do. I can live with our differing opinions.

Yes. http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37395-welcome-to-the-melbourne-football-club-sam-frost/page-9 And onward. I'm surprised you couldn't do this yourself, but then again, perhaps not.

That's about as fickle as the Demonland thread on Sam Frost. He went from someone that wasn't worth a trade (we'd pick him up in the PSD for nothing) to someone who was better than James Frawley.

Ever thought of picking/not picking him on form? Roos has form on this. JKH. That would overcome this rather brainless discussion of whether he deserves a game round 1 and your premise that "good clubs would do". Good clubs would pick him if he was in the best 22. If he's in ours he plays.

What ever impact he makes in his first year it won't live up to Demonland expectations.

I've just watched the highlights. Makes me realize how difficult it would be being a recruiter. McCartin mauling kids much smaller than him and looks terrific. You'd never get to see the kid play on big bodies and that's who he'll get in his career. Players like Fergus Watts come to mind, Nic Smith, Hanson, Thorp, Dowler and Robbie Tarrant never turned into what they were supposed to be. Then there's Roughy, Franklin, Henderson and Kennedy who probably did. How on earth would you know? Roos is spot on, picking talls is a mugs game and big bodied ones like McCartin doubly so. I'll watch his career with great interest, more so if we select him.

Let me try again. How many picks do we have in the ND as of today....

What am I missing? Roos says we have picks 2, 3 and 40. The Age says we have three picks (this mornings paper). Brett Anderson has us with three picks. With Newton we only have 2 ATM don't we?

If Chip leaves then two Tyson deals would do me!

I think if you read the posts I've made here my concern is that we don't make the mistake of taking a footballer who is not a genuine midfielder. I'm not saying Petracca isn't and that's why I asked the questions I did. In the past we made terrible mistakes by taking footballers who we thought would develop into mids - Blease, Tapscott, Strauss, Bennell and Jetta. And before that the classic example was Sylvia. From what I saw of Petracca, and I've acknowledged that it's only one game, he didn't look like a genuine mid, he looked like a tall flanker who's main attribute was his marking which I don't think is enough of an asset at AFL level. IMO we need a genuine ball accumulator like Sloane, Shuey, Redden, Rockliff and Beams to name just a few we passed on, who can participate in possession chains and has the agility to find space in tight and make and execute good decisions. Clearly the recruiting department will have the necessary information and do due diligence and I'm not questioning that. I'm just discussing the type of footballer we want and asking if Petracca has those attributes.

That's my concern. That won't cut it at AFL level. Think Jeremy Howe.

I get worried about players who rely on power at under age level. Also Trengove tested well but I always felt he was a tall in a small body. I want to see him play like a midfielder with a bit of class. I just didn't see it in that one game.