frankie_d

where's sylvia?

I reckon we'll miss Warnock. Fond memories of him taking Fev out last year - I think he has that bit of physicality and mongrel, and needs ice in the bath at the end of the game. Very excited about the "ins" - just hope the children don't get blown away...

very interesting... I agree with many of your observations. "Back in the day" the MFC was the MCC's footy team, and had the best resources and the best facilities. Trained at the G 2 nights / week, tons of dough (for the time), and the other teams were jealous of our facilities. I was told that Carlton (= Kenneth Luke -> George Harris) never got over the MCG getting the Olympics over Princes Park, and that when he was President of the VFL (56 - 71), he never missed an opportunity to get stuck into the Dees. Eventually, the old money lost out to the new money, and the balance of power shifted from the Members at the 'G to who-ever had the $$. Barassi moving was s sign of the times. A really complex club, with a complex history - and I give Stynes / Schwab full marks for working on getting the MFC/MCC linkage right (or as right as it can get).

That's why arrays should be zero-indexed...

OK - I'm interested in what you mean - I can remember Barassi going, had a pretty close connection to the club at that time. I remember Norm Smith going. You're saying the "Old Breed"( = Jim Cardwell et al.) were winners, and then softness set in? Have I got that right? Who were/are these "backslappers" that are ok with failure, and who are these politically correct softies in the Northern stand? Really, I'm not having a go - I have puzzled over our club for a long while, and have always thought that the Dess supporters was a bit split b/n the MFC and MCC members... but I'm not sure I am clear about where you think the problem is. I am as sick of it as anyone. Go Dees!

Not sure if the you mean the MFC members in the Northern Stand or the MCC Members. If you mean the MCC members, well: 1. Any that support the Dees and aren't member of the MFC should be ashamed --- worse than weak. Won't put the $ where their heart is; 2. I confess to sitting in "The Members" (I'm a paid up MFC member); 3. The blokes I sit with are NOT HAPPY - the image of The Members quietly intoning "well done, number 4" (thinking it's John Lord) is crap; 4. I agree that we are "divided" geographically at the MCC, and, on reflection, I will sit with the MFC crew, and I should have been sitting there for many years (many many). 5. And we just might start a movement - The "Get Out Of The Members, Pay Your fskcing MFC Dues, And Sit/Stand/Yell Where You Should" movement.

And I keep thinking of Trengove in the last quarter against Adelaide - goes hard at the ball going into the forward line, gets it, then takes the extra step before dishing off the handball for an easy goal. Gets crunched, and lying on the ground. NO ONE goes to him to pick him up and pat him on the back - pathetic. This NOTHING to do with injuries or youth (him being young, and all). It's a poison and I'm sick of it. I was there in '64, enjoyed the Northey era, but now feel ashamed. I don't have any answers all I can do it let off steam. My deep worry is that despite the debt reduction and the perception of off field improvement we've all been conned by the managerialists - lots of smooth talk and not enough head over the ball.

From Footy Confidential: 2 Carlton players interviewed after the game (recording shown) - both said that Melbourne want to play "outside, bruise free footy"... clear that phrase was the theme for Carlton going into the game. What a disgrace. Connolly puts out some statement that they (MFC) are disappointed with the disrespect that Carlton showed MFC. Both Lyon and Thompson quite rightly said that they (MFC) should be disappointed that that's how others see the MFC. Truth. We're perceived as WEAK - and we might just be. How the hell do we to get to these situations???

THIS! Love to hear the explanation.

exactly. A good sign, and might even reflect a CULTURE that doesn't tolerate non-team players ... ( settle down )

An Interesting read. Here's a quote " The team player is getting more recognition than ever. Match reviews are more in-depth than ever, with about 20 TV cameras covering each game. There is nowhere to hide if you don’t do the team thing. Players in the reserves are getting picked for senior selection on this basis, not so much for getting a stack of touches or kicking goals. And on the flipside, players in the senior side are losing their spot because of this. " Insight, maybe. Would be a good thing if it were.

I wouldn't have Gys in there - hasn't even played a season.. Davey and Green are culpable.

Fail. That's called a "false dichotomy" - proposing two answers as if they are the only answers. Maybe, just maybe, he sometimes does tell his patients that it's bad luck and (see, no dichotomy) has useable answers and (see, more than two answers) does things to make them better. EDIT: (or she)

Yep - I was there yesterday, and to see ten Hawks rush to congratulate a team mate for a bit of work made me feel very miserable - we DON'T do that - it can be all a bit pretty.

Frawley continued to take the game on when others had dropped their heads. He's not often spoken about as a leader, yet I think he is. I must say that the last line looks better with Warnock in it - I know there are varying views on him, but he contests, can man up to the gorillas, and his disposal is good.

I'm old enough to remember when Hawthorn were easy beats (back in the 60s). Kennedy transformed the club, with Scott and Crimmins - just tough, uncompromising men (Scott, a bit more than that). Followed up with Alan Jeans and one of the great teams of all time. Their long period of success owes much, I believe, to Kennedy, and the values he brought to the club. For the young:

Tons of them on the Fifth Quarter. Bllokes hitting their heads on the ground. Darcy saying the a legal tackle should be just that - and that the consequences shouldn't be taken into account. The next story was Dangerfield kicking 6 against the Suns. What a crap judicial system the game has - we see the same phenomena with the umpiring - a "legalistic" interpretation which over-penalises the little things, and under-penalises the thuggery. Too much management speak, smugly satisfied with process, and no feel for the desirable outcome.

MFC site says "Injuries ...... Martin (knee) ......" Sigh.

It looked like Watts took himself down back in the third quarter and I thought contributed. Wonder if it was his idea?

I contributed one NO vote to [email protected] - wonder how many they got ? Good result and shows a realistic insight into our recent achievements.

Would keep Warnock - size matters.

a couple of times, I saw Watts in defense (not just running around, waving his arms around) but looked as if he was following his man down there. He looked really good coming though the centre on a couple of occasions.

not a big crowd. really, not a big crowd

Then: Peter Walsh - never saw him waver under pressure Now: Jordie M

Just read Mark William's review on the MFC site. It's clearly for public consumption (der!), but I thought was very gentle on some.