Demon17

12 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Sorry Demon17 didn’t see that this had already been pointed out.😀❤️💙

No worries.  And to think I have a maths degree.

Maybe I just can't type.  Go Dees.

48 minutes ago, Dante said:

Every time I see him kick that last goal in the third I well up and feel so proud that he's ours. He plays the game so cleanly, no cheap shots, no retaliation when he gets cleaned up, he just continues to demoralise the opposition.

Couldn't be any prouder and thanks Jason Taylor for bringing him to our club.

I like the story of roos sending goody up to Clayton 's home and meeting in the kitchen with him and parents.

Message was lose weight or don't bother coming down. He did and jason taylor delivered the outcome. 

58 minutes ago, Jontee said:

Whats even more scarier is he is only 24 years and 3 months old. Getting better all the time.....

Thanks for the correction. Incredible he's this good at this age. We'll have years of delighting in watching hime play.

Scary thing? 

He's only 25 years 3 months old. And "hates losing".

With his much improved kicking he now hurts the opposition. Unlike many leesser accumulators like Mitchell and McCrae.

Importantly was a Goodwin project from day 1.

5 hours ago, The Stigga said:

Yep, I'm not a fan at all of requesting to play Footscray in Round 1.

I feel its not really at all humble unfurling the flag in their faces, in fact it could make the difference given how close some teams are in terms of mental application.

We talk about 'respecting' our opponents, well this isn't it for mine.

I don't think we should bite off more than we can chew.

 

 

Spot on.  We're about respecting others as a club and having the Dogs is downright rude.

In the past the Tiges have done it on a hursday night, not all club unfurl in Round 1. (Eagles in 2019 the most recent, Hawks in 2016)

No real pattern, except the dogs did it on a sunday arvo at 3.20 which I like the sound of.   Plenty of kids should have the opportunity to go. Not a night game please.

33 minutes ago, norwood_demon said:

Look at what the courier just delivered! Worth every cent. I am crying again 🙄 and watching the replay on Kayo for the (n+1) time.

Is that the version with part of the match day ball.  1000 limited edition????

His post game interview on the ground was the most realisitic and insightful when he described the early disasterous years of his career as a young man.

He, more than anyone, seemed to understand just how hard its been over the last decade.

1 flag won't be enought for him I suspect.

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

What a pick up what a star, LJ, Jack,Clarry and Tracc were irresistible in that 18 minutes in the third that stunned the Dogs and put us on the path to a crushing win. I will always remember those 18 minutes and the role that Luke played in our drought breaker and he was still four days off his 20th birthday.!!!!!💕❤️💙

Iv'e watched the first 1/4 many times.

The take away is how the team settled straight and looked 'on',  and most young players got involved. Not one sign of nerves and Jackson was a key member of that cohort. His quick intercept and handball to Charlie Spargo a delight. 

Clean hands and fast brain.

2 hours ago, Satan said:

Should be hitting his prime when Maxxy retires

Max now can a have a few more seasons too!  With young Luke transitioning.

11 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think you'll find Champion Data decided on review it wasn't a handball...

They are wrong. The umpire deemed it a disposal. Otherwise  as trac had prior opportunity  he would have been pinged for holding the ball or incorrect disposal.

5 hours ago, Demons rising said:

With the assessment of Bowey and having only played 7 games and how good he is 

could 2021 have a rising star be a premiership player <mr mouth guard>

2022 a premiership player be the next rising star 

Why not. Jackson first rising star to win a flag same year. Bowey would be a mirror image of sorts. Won the flag . Now for the rising star. 

7 hours ago, Mickey said:

I wouldn't rule out TMac. They might have some differences but I'm pretty sure he's sung BBB's praises before. And he would be in a good position to have seen Trac's development.

Tmac for me too.

Highly educated so using ' consumate' would be in his vocab.

Had seen trac from the start.

And i think would have had a lot to do with bbb both training and strategy. Brown did not come in in a threatening manner to tmac so i suspect esp now as flag partners in crime might well be close.

Dermot says reputations are made in finals. Naughton was poor in the gf. But makes this list?

1 hour ago, BoBo said:

If you watch the Oliver goal in the 3rd, Jacksons clean pick up and hand ball whilst almost running as fast as Oliver (Jackson isn’t sprinting at full pace) is crazy. He could be an Adam Goodes type player but more athletic and a much better ruckman, I honestly believe that. Some of the players say that at training, the things he can do athletically shouldn’t be possible for a guy of his size.

And he’s probably 5 years off his absolute prime as a player. We could be on the eve of having one of the best midfield trio’s ever, if we can keep him and Oliver with Petracca.  
 

 

I find it interesting how he jumps in a ruck contest. In 3rd 1/4 his jumping style was similar to a basketballer or a volleyball  spiker.

Almost unplayable.  He signs up and the Dees will have big maxy for another 5 years as a result of reducing his game time from 90% plus

42 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

With the way everything currently turns to gold for this club, Dunstan is going to come in, work relentlessly on his kicking and play an important role in next year’s flag. He will be widely touted as the recruit of the year, St Kilda supporters will be apoplectic and we got him for nothing. 

I think you will be posting this again in 2022 with 'I tipped this ' caption.

If a player with suspect disposal is to improve it will be at the Dees. Think anb fritsch even Brayshaw.

Dunstan will be seen as inspired possibly with saints then including him in the mccartin/Trac conversation as another list mgt. debacle.. 

On 9/29/2021 at 8:43 AM, Jaded No More said:

I wish he would fan boy his nephew more. Gus was so good and I wanted him to get emotional about it, but of course he’s a useless [censored].

When Gus lines up and BT is complaining he needs to watch the goals and Brayshaw just goes “big kick” or something. Like Jesus guys this is commentary by 5 year olds. 

And he interrupted Daisy as she was explaining what really happened.

13 hours ago, adonski said:

Anyone know the Canberra Times' strike rate?

This is in the Canberra Times, article published this afternoon:

"In more good news for the AFL premier, grand final hero Luke Jackson will sign a new deal with Melbourne soon. Jackson, who is contracted until the end of next season, will commit long-term to the Demons.

The West Australian believes his future is in Melbourne and he will be joined by his parents in Victoria."

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7464063/the-chase-is-on-to-catch-the-melbourne-demons-in-2022/

I'll pay for the removalists van for Mr and Mrs Jacksn myself if needs be.

Hell, I'll even push the trolley gladly.

On 10/10/2021 at 9:52 AM, Cranky Franky said:

ANB & Spargo (like Melksham last year) certainly benefited from the coach backing them to the hilt & giving them every opportunity and good luck to them.

Spargo has had a golden run.  If Chandler or Bedford had got the same opportunities I reckon they could have had Premiership medallions as well.

Spargo's pass into Fritsch in final 1/4 of the GF nailed the Premiership, and Dogs knew then there was no hope.

I'll take a high IQ footballer every day of the week - Spargo has been this from Day 1.

18 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

One of my biggest fears towards the end of the year is that we’d do a stkilda and blow it 

whilst the saints talk about a drought unlike us  until this year, over the past 25 years they’ve had probably at least 4 golden chances to break their drought - realistically this year was our only golden chance and thank [censored] we actually took it ! 
 

Yes 1 from 1 in the last 20 years is unbelievable.

Also the usual narrative is that a team needs to fail a few Prelim's or a few previous finals series failures first to harden up or understand what it takes to succeed. Roos in the 90's, as an example.

Dees effort in 2021 even more impressive. Saints had it in 2010 but no chances since , and when other teams supporters see the 2021 PF and GF master classes, many will wonder how on earth their own team is up to it for the next few seasons. (excl. probably Power, Dogs and Lions fans maybe)

10 hours ago, Demon_spurs said:

No Dangerfield or Selwood, gladens my heart

What better signal than the end of the prelim level era. 3 cats only also , 2 being defenders and the other a 34 year old forward. Surprised Guthrie didn't get a spot though.

14 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

The question is, how many of the other 43 would get a game at Melbourne based on our exposed form in September?

Great point QD.

I thought the same looking at each from 50 downwards would each player displace a Dees member.

Still haven't found one, primarily because each part of the Dees makes up the whole.

Who else can gut run and apply pressure like ANB for example?. Not Bailey Smith thats for sure.

2 hours ago, DEE fence said:

We could argue the number of wins, I do agree they don’t get the big teams though, but his record is not just a reflection of home ground advantage. However I think a lot of the knocks on him as a coach are for matters perceived, and not actual. Some of their losses in Finals were pretty bloody close. They play a system, they play it well, he obviously has the teams attention, that doesn’t happen with smoke and mirrors, give the devil his due. All of that said, I think he needs a new game style, we have the keys for his. Unless he finds the next Wayne Carey that chip and pass style will be nothing without a marking beast at CHF, oh and I bet he copies us and comes up with some wing type players. The more I think about it, Melbourne validated having two good rucks in the modern era, and now we have validated wingers, hopefully the torp will come back soon and all will be well with the world (or at least Australia).

Agreed and I noted Scott was a very good coach for all your reasons above.

But each year pencil in 9 home game wins and your on a roll. Its a matter of where you land in the 8, not, IF you make the 8.

Transitory view of success showed out in the Prelim in an embarrassing manner

2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/380365/by-the-numbers-pies-and-cats
 

1999. The last time they had to play down there. Really? Why do they get this preferential treatment from the AFL? They’re the only team that doesn’t have to wear an alternative strip (changing the position of logos is not alternate.) I can’t remember the last time we didn’t play Geelong in Geelong. So even during their post premiership years they didn’t have to give Geelong a home game. Totally unfair 

Right on all counts CW,

but I reckon now the chickens have come home to roost and the cats false sense of entitlement over past lost decade, unsuccessful  in GF terms, have left them nowehere to hide now and nowehere to go for next few years.  I also suspect their idea of being a detsination club who plays finals won't cut it with top players . 

Jeremey Camerons ambiton for a flag disintegrated at the hands of the Dees publicly in the Prelim. Window shut that night.

16 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think it's fair to question the Cats age demographic and game plan but the most impressive thing they do to me is that they keep producing a top team out of a lot of players who get results without actually being that talented.

Therefore they should be able to keep producing results as they get younger without having the best young talent either.

Obviously we have some super talented young players and nailed some draft picks with high end potential guys like Jackson and Pickett, but we also saw this year what Goody and a bunch of fresh assistants did with guys like JJ, Spargo, ANB, Sparrow and not overly high picks like Rivers and Bowey. 

It's been nearly a decade since the 2011 flag side started retiring and they've kept winning for a decade. If they can replace all those absolute superstars then they can replace Tuohy and Henderson as well.

They might just keep rolling with Tom Stewart and Jezza Cameron for the next 5 years too. Although they desperately need the next Dangerfield. They'll be searching through AFL lists looking for anyone who's ever set foot in Geelong to try to get them home.

The 'next Dangerfiedl' doesn't grow on trees. They and him had their turn/window and its over.

We have the next Dangerfiel (arguably better IMO) - Trac, Oliver, Jackson, Sparow.....

Other teams also are better placed in this regard

22 hours ago, DEE fence said:

72% Wiinning record in H+A, 69% with Finals included, totally happy to take the mickey out of him when he’s losing it in the box, but they are extraordinary numbers. I am impressed he is sticking fat, as those numbers are going to take a hit. He does seem cursed like Tom Haley though with finals and they should have had at least 1 if not 2 more GF in the last 10 years. However Geelong is making a logical decision and not throwing baby out with the bath water. Just too bad for him his tenure is extended right when they became our female Labradors.

I also thought he was a dog of a player, Toby Greene standard, good but dirty, more so than Mitchell and Hodge, but I still respect his coaching, just don’t like the man, much like Hardwick.

 

The above stats are often quoted but an unrealstic guide to the Cats ability .

Each season they are 'guaranteed 8 or even 9 wins at home due to the draw not scheduling games against big teams in Geelong. Think Suns, Freo, sydney  .... Threats such as Bombers, Tiges, Dogs, Pies rarely ever or never play there over the past decade. Their problem will be in 2022 if the Dees are to play down there. That's one loss coming up.

Understandable given crowd size limts.

But this skews the outcomes and almost locks in at least a top 8 finish each year, only needing to win 4 or 5 games away from home.

Then when the heat is on at the end of the year , it shows.

Scott is still a very good coach but its a whole-of-club problem they need to address.

The ground dimensions don't help them away either.

Their record is an outlier is all I'm saying and not a predictor of finals sucess at the prelim/GF level when they play serious opposition at the G -(or Optus in WA).