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    14 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

    I think it's more about lack of midfield pressure and lack of players coming back to fill Wright's leading areas.  May had him if it wasn't on the lead.

    If Petty was in the side we would have been worth a shot with his extra height.

    Exactly .

    Leading forwrads are stopped by team defence generally.  They always have the advantage of a split second decison over their defender. 

    Nevertheless May wasn't happy with his performance by the look of him after the game. True professional.

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    54 minutes ago, 58er said:

    Tmac should have been switched onto Wright last night and Maysie spending a stint up forward for awhile.

    I believe we need Tmac in defence sometimes as very big players can monster May ( Admittedly this us the first time in about 35 games Maysie has lowered his colours. Not a bad effort. 

    Would have been worth a try , But May did some great saving work and direction last night and his defensive instincts are elite compared to most, incl TMac

    He gave away 100mm in height against Wright who is turining out well for the Bombers. (193cm  vs 203 cm)

     

    10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    Brown straight back. Weid holds TMac out. TMac either goes back or dropped. 

    Lever back. Hunt out I think. 

    We can’t get the four missing defenders back quick enough. 

    Your'e right , but last night was a credit to the system defence with a still-second string defence with May and Bowey doing their best to hold it together , incl great play by Gus.

    Good job coaching team. 70 points against.

    Last year the rule was if the Dees kick more than 65 points they win.

    This year its up just a tad.

    The cavalry can't come soon enough though.

    5 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

    I've retracted the germ tag and regret including it in my first post...but it's not as simple as 'we don't like the way he high 5s after a goal'. We get he's an excitable young player and I said, he's pretty good. That's exciting for him, Dogs fans and neutrals.

    But throw in the playing for free kicks (he is absolutely at Lindsay Thomas level if not worse to the poster who said they can't see it) together with the over-celebration and it paints a picture of him being disingenuous, somewhat arrogant, and perhaps presumptuous and almost entitled.

    It's hard to describe - but there's a level of affectation that makes it seem like he's not even celebrating for himself, rather just to make a scene and get under people's noses, as he himself knows he perhaps hasn't earned what he's got. Certainly not to the point where he can celebrate like he's the best of all time. He knows he's annoying and it's very off-putting that he embraces it seemingly as a character trait. 

    Put it this way - you're playing local footy and the opposition tackles you for a ball up. Everyone gets up off the ground and life goes on. Then this kid gets up in your face bouncing around whooping and carrying on about his teammate making a tackle. He doesn't direct it at you, but it's within sight and earshot and you know he's doing it at least partially to get your attention & annoyance. Now rinse and repeat, every game at every F50 stoppage.

    It wouldnt take long for you to tell him to relax and calm down, failing which you'll probably run through him when you get the chance later in the game. He wins a free kick. He overcelebrates, and around we go again. 

    There are those who play in the right spirit and those who don't. Doing it under the guise of 'thats just Cody being Cody', which in these PC days means he is immune from criticism, makes it even worse. 

    He was the same draft as Koz and we did consider him closely. I was fan based on highlight videos as his talent is plain to see. It wasn't until I actually watched him over the course of a game that his behaviour became clearer. It has nothing to do with Koz - couldn't be happier he is ours.

    Not everyone will get it as we all project our biases onto others, but this is what I see and what I find annoying. 

    A good summary of Cody here

    SEN last night commented (I can't remember who) that Weightman is a KPP in a small man's body, and thus flying for marks ect but not being on the ground where he is needed.  

    In Kossie we got a true ground ball player with excitiemnt and pressure to boot..

    Good teams need them - betts, Cameron, Stevie J , Cyril, and now Kossie.  Wweightman has some way to go to be of sustainable value.  Lst night he saved the Dogs but its something they can't rely on.  

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    Essential reading for today.  Wayne carey's article in this mornings Age on Luke Jackson.  Says it all .

    "...Greatness is more attainable with greatness around you..."   and that Gawn, Trac , Oliver etc  help make Luke great.

    He'll stay (IMO)  for the reasons Carey covers.   Big money will then await him as a 2-3 time flag hero. - and good luck to him then anyway.   

     

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    2 hours ago, ManDee said:

    CYB he will be wealthy wherever he plays. Over his career he could earn $6 to $12 million. For me there is no difference, so I would chase flags. And before you say I'm crazy consider how long and well you could live on $6 million well invested. 

    True Mandee.  But his status , and then perhaps resulting earning capacity, will be immeasurebly more as a triple premiership player than someone who won one at 19 and did nothing team success-wise after that.  Just looking at the long term marketing messages and strategy here.

    for example, Luke Hodge, seen as an elder statesman now speaking with authority on the back of great leadership CV and 3 flags.

    21 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

    It also would not have helped that he walked into a club that was a complete disaster on and off the field.

    Jackson would be hard pressed to find a club more stable or in a better on field position that ours right now. 

    Exactly.  Good luck to his manager selling the idea of now  joining Freo (why?) and Eagles (basket case on the slide).

    But professionally he'll make the eagles move in 5 years  , with 3 flags under his belt, and all Dees supporter's best wishes, mine included.

    3 hours ago, layzie said:

    No of course not EO but a lot of fans do eg. " Why aren't they talking about us?" "Why aren't we getting credit for xyz" "What did Collingwood do that we didn't?" etc. It seems to really bother them if we aren't getting limelight. 

    Definitely agree on the narrative stuff, if I had a paper company I'd write on that stuff as well. 

    But the Dees aren't the story either.

    The stories of interest are cripps pies daicos bros. Max king bombets etc.

    Maybe now jackson and bowey.

    To a man the commentariat last weekend uses words about the dees such as flag favourites

    Competition benchmark

    And whately said dees are best team . Then daylight second.

    Over exposure can only end in tears early on.

     

     

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    21 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    To be fair though I don't think Tim Kelly was home sick as much as he needed to go home for family reasons. Those are different things.

    Feeling lonely, isolated and missing home is very different to having external family pressure to return home because of a partner/child/parent, which is also where Hogan was (and having cancer would not have helped!). 

    I highly doubt Jackson, who is 21 and has no long term partner or kids, would be feeling any pressure from his family to return home, when they can see what a successful career he's forging at Melbourne. He also has great connections at the club, having come across with Rivers who is an old mate. 

    There will always be noise that he's 'going home', because every super talented player born in WA gets that sort of attention. But there has never been a single indication that he was wanting to return to WA. He said on the Gus and Gawny podcast last year that he loves Melbourne, he keeps gushing about the team, the culture and working under Gawny. Why would you go out of your way to say those things if you were missing home?

    For me the only reason he hasn't signed is because his management team knows how much his worth will continue to increase, and the club is obviously trying to put long term deals in front of him, which is not a wise move for someone of his age and calibre to sign. As much as I wish he would sign a 10 year deal, the reality is he should sign for 2 and then get even more money.
    I also think that if the club didn't think they were a strong chance to retain him, they would have entertained the Cerra for Jackson trade last year, as we were very much into Cerra. 

    Culturally I would rather the club not offer the godfather approach. If he goes to 5 years of underperforming eagles and dockers then good luck.

    I want trac looked after. And clarry and ed and gus and jack and Jakes. .....   

    The whole team that delivered on gf day.

    Adopting the cats approach of a bit less coin for sustained success.

    I think jackson will too. Sign at least a 2 year extension. And that's fair all round.

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    1 hour ago, Wrecker46 said:

    I wanted to load up on Bowey but the best player doesn't win.

    Daicos is a moral because of name. Don't get me wrong he is a good footballer. But there is no way for AFL PR it goes to Bowey over Daicos.

    Probably as per above.

    Jake Boweys thinking at Rising Star award in 2022  - "....Rising star vs Premiership medallion?...hmmmm.....)

    5 hours ago, Pates said:

    I think Tom’s role is to get to as many contests and ensure it doesn’t get marked by the opposition, although I think he was in the bottom rung of players he did provide that element all night. It’s frustrating that he doesn’t even seem to be going for the mark anymore, it’s just about crashing the pack. 

    As I said in an earlier post, Weid has to take the opportunity now and make it impossible for him to not be picked. It’s Tom’s position to lose but Weid has to make a statement to force him out. 

    I think your right, its just that a few times BBB and/or others were also attempting to mark.

    I love his endurance and he was geart back in defence to stabilise when Salem wnet down in Rd 1. but.......

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    55 minutes ago, Kent said:

    T Mac was a liability last night

    Got in everyones way all game looks past it to me! Thinks like a one  transistor computer

    The harder he tries the worst he gets

    No way could I figure out TMAc's role.

    brwon and Fritshc with Maxy resting are the forward weapons now. I love Tom but gee I hope he can find some form and a role that works for the team.

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    15 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

    we do need Williams to get onto him with that kicking ball magic.

    Funny you should say that.  In pre-match warm ups Williams take 1 or 2 players and gives them 30m kicking practice in a 1 on 1 session with him in the middle of the ground.

    Hunt was one of those last year and i reckon Williams would be working with him for sure.

    He just kills attacking momentum as he did last night will ill-directed or executed passing.

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    53 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

    reminded me of when we'd play the good teams with 4 or 5 missing from their defence and watch as their 'second' defence would still carve us up in the end. and you'd think how can this be ?

    I think we are being harsh on Hunt. yes disposal can be iffy at times but people might underestimate his aerial defence and ability to shut down the opposition running goals. He helped stop many potential goals tonight. not saying he had a great game but no way will he get dropped for that effort, gave it 100%.

    but yeah my headline tonight was Bowey, he is Zen like with his reading of the ball coming in. never seems to over commit, is super clean and hits his targets. special mention to also to Clarry so had Rowell moved onto him as a tag and gave him a football lesson in the third.

    I agree with all your sentiments on jaydens endeavour and running. But his execution is pre 2017 standard. I thought it had improved but not this year.

    It stands out now the team has much improved skills across the board. 

    3 hours ago, binman said:

    His issue is he is an old school small forward who offers nothing if he isn't scoring.

    No pressure, few tackles, doesn't get up and down the ground, no clearances.

    Amazing he went so high in the draft.

    Not the only one after wathcing an analysis on On the Couch from earleir this week, with Dunstall bemoaning that Naughton is a great FF but if it hits the deck, which he is good at doing if he can't mark it, there's no-one crumbing and away the ball goes by the defenders.

    Dogs have been exposed for all to see in their first two matches

    46 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    The security were there to protect the players, not stop the crowd.

    They failed miserably.

    For all Gil's huffing and puffing about fines and don't run on the ground, why on earth didn't the AFL have a serious security plan for Buddy .  He was lining up for goal for 30 secs.  More than enough time to get a squad of fit security guys ready to rush the ground and encircle him. Some swans players tried but his teammates by and large failed in this too.

    My memory later in the event was seeing Buddy's wife move from elation to possibly a look of major concern for his welfare. 

    A miracle no-one was hurt.

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    3 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

    Listening to talkbalk radio this morning, I've learned that:

    • last night's win was the greatest win ever by any club playing Aussie Rules football
    • this year's Carlton team is the greatest team ever to play Aussie Rules football
    • Cripps is the greatest leader of men since Alexander the Great

    Unfair on Alexander the Great. 

    He was only 5 feet 0 inches so was never drafted. Retired too early at 32 but easily covers Crippa in the leadership stakes in his chosen profession after missing out on draft night.

    Conquering the world. Cripps has only conquered Lygon st.

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