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46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Hibberd's calf not too bad apparently, confirmed will miss, but not too far off.

Also interesting we did the captain's run at Port Melbourne.

 

A well thought out move.  Keeps players fresh avoiding long drive to Casey day befroe the game. (Langdon's not a big fan of the Fitzroy to Cranbourne trip)

Easier media acces.

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

so that's 3 of our premiership back 6 missing in petty, rivers, and now hibberd

it is amazing that a premiership team has never played together again across the course of the history of the vfl / afl competition

And being  nerd I looked at the last 50 years of VFL/AFL and the most common by a long way of changes from the Flag team to the Round 1 team the next year is 3.

So we've now got our 3 identified.   I was rapt Hibberd was in the team once May went down in the PF.  Huge fan.

This time hoping May/Lever and the rest stand up for the full game. 

13 hours ago, Demonland said:

When friends and acquaintances have spoken to me about the Premiership and I tell them I just really want to be there to see one they say we're a good team and will win a few and be up there for a long time. My mind always seems to wander back to the Bombers of 2000. After the disappointment of 1999 they only dropped 1 game for the season and people thought that would kick off a dynasty. They've barely won a final since then. In fact today marks day 6,400 since they won a final.

My MFCSS has warped into an inadequacy that we won't be able to back it up and perform on the big stage.

Thanks for your great work on this site, but Gee I think you need a good lie down before tomorrow night just to help you cope with the certain drama of the evening, and the next 26 weeks.

22 minutes ago, Demonland said:

It was a Jake Niall statement based on practically nothing. Poor form for a journo I regard. Having said that he tips us to go back to back. And if we don't get another flag we'll be seen as underachievers. (like the Bombers in 2000 IMO)

Who would have thought the Dees being in this conversation a few years ago.

Caro on the other hand was excellent in her views on the GF replay and the Dees as a team. Said nothing was going to stop the Dees in the GF and the Dogs even now are a long way behind MFC. She admitted the Tiges got cocky after 2017, and what's wrong with that anyway?

On 3/12/2022 at 10:10 PM, Fork 'em said:

Reckon he just gave him a spray for taking the dive myself but hey .... Boo away.
All part of the theatre.

I do agree that Max's momentum was a key factor rather than Daniel slinging him. I don't Boo but do love the theatre of it. On Wednesday night it will be as predictable as the sun coming up on Thursday morning.

Its been a thing since they invented Punch and Judy in the 1600's.

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

Can’t agree with this. The reason he didn’t win back to back premierships has exactly for the reason you spelled out in your last sentence. In other words, they weren’t a particularly great team, there were teams that were better equipped that year – e.g. Sydney – and he coached them to win the GF despite that. He didn’t have the fire power to go back to back. 

Agree with this Of.  and as for 2021, they didn't have a Premiership-standard defence and they still don't in 2022.

Unlike Dees, Cats(with Stewart), Tigers with their system and personnel and Lions led by a fit Harris Andrews.

Last time a losing GF team played in the GF next year was 10 years ago.

On 3/11/2022 at 10:03 AM, Fork 'em said:

I heard Gawn himself refer to it as a "Captains Dive."

Caleb Daniel will still cop it on Wednesday night from Dees fans, as he should.

The wannabe standover pose he did deserves a Boo, and was the only dark side of a game played in great spirit by both sides.

13 hours ago, Jontee said:

Max not in because Jacko will get more game time?

Pendlebury - are you serious?

 

Good thoughts Jontee.

I think your'e on to something re: Max and if true that's Ok,  but Pendelbury is laughable.

Naughton's underwhelming GF performance soundly beaten by My questions King's 'Insights".  So thus they are predictions which is what the game is al about anyway.  He does love salem so credit there that he's consistent in his selection for that position and recognises him in his team.  Last year he felt Salem was the key to the Dees and oppos needed a plan for him.

But great article for clickbait and King to remain relevant. I can just hear him quoting Champion data as justification.

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

The real indictment might’ve been at the start of the last quarter. If they change the tempo of the game and get 2 of the first 3 goals it’s a 3 goal ballgame with half a quarter left. You’ve got a shot. 

Bont tried his heart out but he had many passengers.  This was clear to me as soon as Brown marked the ball from Tom Sparrows brilliant kick.  That was set up by great involvement from Salem, Trac, jackson and ANB.  Bont was a solo act.

Heads up on the club website are 2 outstanding videos released today.

First is Kate Roffey's speech last night at the AFL Launch where she accepted on behalf of the club the Flag. 6 minutes without notes hitting every key message. Brilliant

Bettter is a 16 minute summary video of the GF, including player insights/ineterviews I hadn't seen but importantly the bench discussion between coach and skipper on keeping Jackson in the ruck,  and Goodwins 3/4 time speech (or an important piece of it). Not to be missed.

Brisbane, based on 2021 Finals only.

Lions were most affected by key players injuries when they played the Dees and can be better (and assuming Daniher does something....  anything) and Dees seemed to have to work harder to get on top.

Whereas I think the Cats and Dogs were near full strength (except for Tom Stewart) and were comprehensively outplayed. 

Cats made no major list changes, no ruckmen and same senior coach  - thus they are on a  repeat cycle for 2022.  Dogs scarring is unknown but are beatable again and haven't improved defence.

Thus Lions are my big threat. Good defence and attack and well-coached.

Tiges are too good to miss the 8 again but a few ageing stars now. And Dees have the Dusty secret weapon (Hibbered theory)

Any idea why the club website refers to the flag being below the news article but nothing attached?

2 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

There is no doubt from his response that they know who leaked the documents. Now we just need someone to leak that name 😉

At the Coterie season launch last Friday night Mike Sheehan interviewed Goodwin.

Right up front Mike addressed the media issue and leaks etc and how Goodwin and club were handling perosnally over the last few weeks. Goodwin said "...We all know where the leak came from..."  and I've move on type of response after that quote, the journalist in question didn't even call me for a quote/comment. etc.   

He seems to have had great support and Roffey in her speech had a quiet level of fury and contempt at the articles and intent. She can be on my side anytime in a fight.

Lots of people in the room were nodding, so maybe most insiders know and lets get o with 2022.

maybe I was the only one in the room that didn't know.

23 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Underselling Tomo I reckon. There were stages early last year people had started talking about the possibility he would be AA.

 

yes he is undersold, esp.in comparison with Smith. Tommo is more tructworthy than Smith re; footy nous.  Doesn't fly against team mates, better disposal.  Seems for intuitive as a player.

Must come in for Petty. Smith scares me in defence.

20 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

Expecting a massive game from Oliver and Petracca. They were both ordinary last night and looked like they were playing bruise free footy. Not surprised given it is a pre-season match and not concerned.

What I did like is Gawn got the players together as they were walking off, no doubt to let everyone know that's not good enough. He was the only player that looked like he gave a sheet.

I reckon your'e right on this, esp given the Kangas game a few days earlier.  The team moved straight into gear in the Kangas game without skipping a beat (albeit against poorer opposition than the Blues)  and maybe thought all good, still got it etc.

And surely thery're only human and were to some degree thinking about the opening round, flag raising, blockbuster etc. 

The Blues game still proved to them, despite giving away 6 goals and losing by 4 points , they still had the ability to come from a long way back.

Nothing to see here hopefully, except for a few issues with Casey candidates.

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Gary Pert was just interviewed on 3AW

I was hoping Mach05 would ring in and challenge his appointment and strategies 

Gold!

19 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Fantastic move.

Found my name easily at 400 zoom.

Magnificent gesture by the club

Thank you.  Top post for all of us DJ.

I found Barassi on the flag. Hope Ron didn't have to stump up his fee being a life member etc.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Like a lot of premiership sides, I think we will start the season slowly and I wouldn't be surprised if we are 2-2 after 4 games before we settle into the season and get our match fitness up.  We had a very short preseason.  On a positive note, we have virtually no injuries and not much off season surgeries so we should get into our groove before long

I wondered about this.  It was a warm humid night yet I saw the Dees running well right to the end.  Or am I missing something?

Only saw the last 20 minutes though.

10 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Hell if we don’t give away 2 centre circle frees because we can’t count to 6 we probably win too. 
That was pathetic to do twice in a quarter!

Not just last 1/4, but last 5 minutes when we were on the roll to victory - and still nearly won.

10 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Very fumbly, missed tackles, really poor kicking skills, very greasy night.

Carlton's smalls and mids looked OK but we never put any real tackling pressure on - maybe deliberate only being a preseason game. 

Tracc, Clarry and Viney all tried the extra bit too often and got tackled easily. Habits from the past.

Brown, Jackson and later Weid were horrendous in the air.

Everything looked slow, weak.

Only lost by 5 points, felt like 6 goals.

None of the Casey boys took their chance. 

If there was ever an opportuniy last night was it for some of them. 

Last week's annihilation maye told us there on ut won't be as easy again against real talent.

IMO Defensive systems work to suit the talent, and those on was on show last night faltered amongst others, so need the flag players mostly back. If a "system" works all the time, then everyone would be doing it.  Its the talent stupid.

They still now never turn it up. 8 goals down and could have won. Good outcome form the game for mindset.

Doggies will notice this.

3 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

44pts i think is the game plan...

Its also part of the afl plan to build up blues to get a big crowd and huge expectations.

Tiges then thump them as usual 

21 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Backline is a hot mess. No surprise. 

I see this as a really useful hitout for selectors  and 2nd string defence to see who puts their hand up for limited opportunities in 2022 in the dees defence.

Apart from that just get the cue in the rack for key players early as possible.

1 hour ago, dpositive said:

An you numbers given?

No, just the %'s.

Peter Lawrence's result was well behind successful candidates, but at 29% should give the Board something to think about that a not insubstantial number of votes went to a new and 'independent' person.

An effective Board will hear this message. Its also a good sign the members are engaged (those who voted anyway)

Can I add that at least we had an election and not some back room process as occurs usually at the Pies under McGuire.

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

 

My observation simply piggybacked Lucifers comment about (why) attendance at B&F and not AGM.  

I would have thought that after a flag and an incredible amount of goodwill, an open AGM would have been appropriate.  Surely nothing to be afraid of. The existing President and Board should be out there and proud. 

Kate Roffey stated early in the meeting that it wasn't in-person due to MCC/MCG protocols.  Just because cricket was held there maybe there are other issue not resolved in time to allow an open AGM.

Anyhow that was the comment.

33 minutes ago, peasant said:

 

Considering the amount of discussion on Demonland a few weeks ago about the voting process and the pros/cons of various candidates I thought there might be something here. Would be interested to know how Peter Lawrence went.

 

 

All 3 current Directors were returned overwhelmingly with 85%  plus of votes,  Peter Lawrence came 4th with 29%.