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Now that debate could last several pages!

That about covers it Redleg But this is supposed to be T$ free zone. Bananas $1.15 KG this morning and good ones as well.

I agree with your basic premise TT we must improve fairly quickly. However it is still not possible to change over large numbers of players quickly. Where do you get replacements who are any better? The best you can hope for is three or four a year.. Leaving out your first couple of draft picks who will probably always be kids who take time. It will take 2 - 3 years to make substantial changes to our list We are IMO in a similar position to where we were at the end of 2007. Pray a few that do not look the goods at present show big improvements

DC see nasher comment no. 61 above I think that may explain it.

Saw that tonight monoccular. What is the world coming too! And we wonder why kids are over weight now

I agree Jarka hindsight is a wonderful thing. The AFL in those days was pushing for mergers, it was prepared to give $6 miilion to get one up. The alternative was no help from the AFL and existinction. Both Hawthorn and Melbourne were very concerned that the latter would happen to their clubs. So both commenced talking. The rest is history. It ended up being like the American civil war. the two sides of merge or not will take their anger to the grave. 150 years after the American civil war there are still diversions, I suspect there will be at the MFC until those involved are dead and buried. As you can see in this thread the anger is alive and well, it just needs a little prod to fire it up again.

That last line that you quote was not well written. I was trying to say By 2015 season we need to be winning 70% of our games / season. Not between now and then. Not even my dreams are that good Jimmi C

No a better grasp of reality. But Dream on I know all about that. Have been doing it for 48 years.

Jeff Kennett already suggested it early in the season. But hold on it is only a couple of months away. But have faith it will not happen The AFL wants north to merge with GCS That will happen before any merge this end of the country

So was I wyl. However I seriously wonder if there will ever be another chance. My club is probably in the worse shape it has been in for 70 years. We are shambles on the field and if that continues for too many more years we will be consigned to the same part of the history books as University, South Melbourne and Fitzroy. End of story

There are a very large number of days wyl when I would be happy to ignore the samantics of that statement. Right now the "melbourne Hawks" looks fine. I also know a number of Fitzroy supporters who really enjoyed those weekends

Yes me too FYD imagine all that celebrating we would have had to do at the end of September. What a way to spend the end of the month. I much prefer to have forgotten football four weeks earlier. Much more civilised!

Well my eye sight must be worse than I thought WYL They look the same to me. However I have only memory to compare as I sent last years back advising them I only wear red and blue not maroon and blue. My wife things I am nuts and she may well be correct. Just had a nother look you may be right it is a bit better. Oh god I am really majoring in minors here. Just win games Dees the bloody scarf colour does not matter.

aint that the truth

Don't get too far ahead of yourself TT. "ever" is a very long time.

Mate are we talking about the same scarf? Mine is Maroon not red it is the same colour as this years jumper. Not like the 2010 version which I am still wearing.

You have covered it well dpositive, very close to how I remember it. Your last line is my big concern, I fear that the MFC is at the cross roads over the next 3 - 4 years IMO anything less than winning the 70% of our matches by 2015 we see the MFC become an irrelevance in the AFL. We are not imune to being amalgamated with the GWS by the end of this decade if we keep on the way we have over the last 5 years. A decade of failure we be the end of us.

With our luck they would leave behind the wrong half of the team.

I am surprised at you Redleg After all these years I would have thought you were used to it by now. Such is the lot of a dees supporter!

I agree BB, it grieves me to say it but Carlton are bigger news than the Dees. If they lose badly tonight the MFC will struggle to get a line on any subject tomorrow in the HUN. Feel sorry for Ratten but there is sure to be a headline in the next few days like "Commitee tells Ratten he has their full confidence?"

I know a number of supporters of Hawthorn, Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood quite well Redleg and while "disgusting" might be out of place, the majority think we are "pathetic" most of them temper this in my presence with Pity. But the general opinion is we belong to last century, are not relevent to the AFL in 2012 and believe one day ( maybe 5 - 10 years time ) we will be amalgamated with GWS or GCS when we go belly up. Which they see as inevitable. Now as Dees supporters we might object violently but I believe that the Majority of other teams supporters have a similar view. IMO only greatly improved performance on field over the next 3 years will change their view.

Careful there WJ I am sure a couple of the other 47 are clever enough!

You have my vote Redleg Not that it is worth much as I am confident the FD does not seek it.

Sorry to disagree but Brian Taylor is the bottom for me. He has no idea

Had a great day at the footy today Just got home Uni Blacks got up again by 6 goals ( beat the last team today ) still undefeated. Picked up by a couple of mates so no need to drive. Don't think the cork will come out of single malt tonight, already a few too many MB's I had forgotten what it feels like going to a game expecting to win. Bloody marvilous! Now the pain starts I guess but at least I can turn off the Tele if it gets too bad. Need to stay nice from here on, 7.00 AM GD minding duty tomorrow morning. Go Dees