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Grimes takes too long

Warnock doesn't know what to do

Frawley needs to be the receiver then runs the lines

Davey is best %wise but he is needed elsewhere

Rivers gets too airborne

Garland? Hmmmm

Ok, I'm prepared to give Strauss another go

Whoever it is needs to be close by when a point is scored and needs to back himself to pick a target and get it there immediately, like the Bombers do. We suck because we are too timid and afraid of stuffing it up. The longer we wait for an option the harder it is to find one.

YES. That's what I was forgetting. He allows opposition to set up zones...argh, he needs to stop that

Well you just wrecked a potential 4 page thread full of wild speculation, baseless innuendo & absolutely no substance.

Killjoy !!!!

Nah, he's created joy by joining a Demons forum. LEGEND MUCH

STOP MOANING ABOUT SCULLY AND GYSBERTS' KICKING.

They're first year players.

They're not going to kick like Luke Hodge in their first year.

I think you're asking a bit too much of them. Even when Gysberts got 27 touches on Saturday and 26 the week before, and Scully's consistently 20 plus.

They're inside midfielders anyway, they're not going to kick that much.

Posted on Twitter

"Had a few comments about our forward line. Project it forward a few years with a developed Jurrah, Watts, Bennell, Jetta, Morton +++"

Interesting to see Morton on his list, the club must see him as a future forward, but no Petterd. Maybe he means that Petterd does not need the development of the others, or maybe he will not be there, or maybe I'm reading more into it than intended and he just didn't name all of the forward line.

Not another thread about Petterd supposedly leaving...

He's already developed IMO. If he can take big pack marks and kick goals the way he had been before he did his shoulder, then he's developed.

And right now we really need him back.

Let's see who gets the chocolates ...

Grimes - but only on a good day. It amazes me how some of his kicks hit a player 40 metres away on the chest and some go to straight to opposition who are closer than that

eth38 I'm happy with all you have said but believe you have not assessed Bate accurately. A good solid ground player. Excellent goal opportunist. 90% plus shot on goal from as far as 50. One of our most reliable shots on goal, but only plays small. Cannot jump for a serious contested mark and might hold overhead uncontested mark but rarely a contested one. I challenge you to take a closer look.

I'll edit it then :D

6 - Jordan Gysberts

5 - James McDonald

4 - Cameron Bruce

3 - Neville Jetta

2 - Cale Morton

1 - Brent Moloney

Top three of mine were probably tied best.

Max Gawn - Will slowly develop into our No. 1 ruck. Expect him to be second ruck by 2012, first ruck once Mark Jamar retires.

Paul Johnson - Expecting to see him delisted.

Jack Fitzpatrick - Tall, high marking ruckman/forward? Can't wait until he develops, he'll be our CHF for sure.

Stefan Martin - Not AFL standard IMO.

Mark Jamar - No. 1 ruck, can play FF. Hopefully we can get a second ruck in ASAP to allow him to spend more time forward.

Jack Watts - Just let him develop, it takes longer for the talls. Riewoldt wasn't a star in his second year.

Brad Miller - Our key forward...down at Casey.

Michael Newton - See Brad Miller

James Frawley - IMO similar to Matthew Scarlett, tall defender who plays on tall and small forwards who rebounds and wins a lot of ball.

Matthew Warnock - Premiership full back.

Jared Rivers - Plays best as a loose defender but DB doesn't like playing him there.

Cale Morton - Tall midfielder/half-forward. Not a KPP.

Lynden Dunn - Right size for a key forward, but doesn't play like one. Half-forward flanker.

Matthew Bate - Plays smaller than he really is. Half-forward who wins ball and kicks goals. Way better at ground than in the air.

Colin Garland - We really should play him up forward, that's what he was drafted as. Will allow Joel Mac to keep his spot.

I'm expecting our team to look like this eventually (obviously excluding injuries and players we'll draft in the future):

B: Cheney Warnock Macdonald

HB: Rivers Frawley Grimes

C: Davey Trengove Morton

HF: Bate Fitzpatrick Watts

F: Jurrah Petterd Green

R: Jamar Jones Scully

INT: Gawn Moloney Gysberts Tapscott

EMG: Bennell Jetta Garland

That's 10 out of 25 that are talls. Hopefully it won't be any problem in the future.

i think that you'll find the prior opportunity rule is commonly misunderstood by fans and commentators.

In fact, if a player is in possession of the football and is tackled and retarded it is holding the ball instantaneously. The exception to this rule is if a player has not had prior opportunity to dispose of the ball before the tackle. In this case, when the player with the ball (and no prior opportunity) is tackled, he is allowed to dispose of the ball legally. If he is not able to dispose of the ball legally, he has been caught holding the ball.

The exceptions are:

If the ball is pinned to the player in the tackle (i.e. player is trying to handball the ball but it is being held to him)

If the ball is dislodged in the tackle (i.e. the initial jolt of the tackle results in the ball spilling free)

NOT an exception:

If the players arm is pinned and he is unable to correctly dispose.

If the player throws the ball out or drops the ball while attempting to dispose of the ball.

IMO the umpires do not follow this rule correctly, it is not good enough to throw your arms out and drop the footy when you are tackled, that should be a free kick against. And holding onto the footy to avoid giving it up to an opposition player is not a legal tactic either and should also be penalised, you must dispose of it immediately.

That's exactly my view on it - prior opportunity = holding the ball. I've said this and two other things, dropping and diving on it, cause a free for holding the ball, in an earlier post somewhere. But the umpires are so inconsistent that there's now so many more views on what is and what isn't a free kick.

I was listening to North Melbourne vs Brisbane last night and a North player gave away a 50 metre penalty for asking the umpire to show some consistency. No anger, no threatening, just a simple question that gave away a 50 metre penalty.

I think Brad Green's tackle on Heath Shaw in the last quarter in Round 2's a great example of how bad the umpires are at being consistent.

COUGH COUGH SPLUTTER

IN: Frawley, McKenzie, Cheney, Dunn

OUT: Rivers, Jones/McDonald (inj), Bartram, Miller

Rivers needs a warning for a run of bad games.

We need McKenzie in the team - the pressure he generates is amazing.

Cheney should be rewarded for over a month of being in the best at Casey.

Miller's not AFL standard. Even if he got superpowers and was able to fly, he still wouldn't be in my best 22.

Dunn to be dropped the week after unless he kicks 3 goals at least, 2 and he should be considered.

WE REALLY NEED PETTERD.

Get Dermott Brereton over to talk to the club and get Luke Tapscott in ASAP

Bartram - didn't see much

Bate - pretty damn crap

Bennell - rarely got it

Bruce - great rebounding work

Davey - maybe the worst

Garland - very solid game

Green - great marking

Grimes - fairly good game

Gysberts - rising star nomination

Jamar - yet another ripper

Jetta - pretty quiet game

Jones - 1 great quarter

McDonald - tagged Judd brilliantly

Miller - out for Dunn/Hughes

Moloney - great contested play

Morton - more like it

Rivers - possibly trade bait?

Scully - first quiet game

Sylvia - possibly regaining form

Trengove - see Scully

Warnock - check O'hAiLpin's stats

Watts - one's not enough

He and Barlow were being compared to Judd, Ricciuto and one other guy on the Fifth Quarter. Lock in the nomination, it doesn't get much better than 27 touches in the wet...unless you do a Round 7 Tom Scully

Thing is, we really don't have a second ruck, so he would slot nicely into our 22...well, not nicely, it means taking somebody out of the team, which is hard enough already

He's been sore all season. No surprise really.

How long is a player out for with a cracked windscreen?

Don't forget the bruised polystyrene cup.

Unfortunately, he would go to Geelong. Father-son rule.

Hahahahaha

Well, I'd take...uh...Jack Trengove and Tom Scully to start...

Great news. 35,000 next year is a reasonable target.

Hell yeah :D

Gysullove is a good one.

Because I'll Gysullove a myself when I see all 3 playing together.

+1 gazillion

Out of all our young guns, Scully is the only genuine in-and-under midfielder. We're gonna need more than one, and Jones will be the next best.

Carlton is the preliminary final, then Collingwood is the grand final. We're going to go out and we're going to win, and I hope that's what Dean Bailey is telling everybody.

Scully - Chris Judd

Trengove - Not-as-tough version of Nathan Buckley or Michael Voss, but quicker

Gysberts - James Hird-ish

Tapscott - Paul Chapman like, but taller

McKenzie - Cameron Ling/Junior

Gawn - Aaron Sandilands

Fitzpatrick - Tall marking ruckman/forward? A lean Brad Ottens

Blease - Hard to say, I'm thinking Blease is to Melbourne what Joel Corey is to Geelong...except younger

Strauss - Haven't seen or heard enough

Watts - He'll make his own name - then again, I could say that about everybody

If he does leave, what compensation will we get?

He was a late pick and given his inability to get on the park hasn't featured in our B&Fs. So pretty much nothing?

The Herald Sun came up with this rating thingy based on form/injuries and gave playres a rating out of 30 (and of course Ablett and Judd both got 30) and I'm pretty sure Petterd was low to mid 20s, one of the higher up at the club. I'm pretty sure low to mid 20s was a second round pick.

Not that it matters, he's playing for Melbourne in 2011.

Well, the Scullgove twins and McKenzie have to come in, today showed how much we actually need them. Cheney should be rewarded for great Casey form and be included to take on their small forward line. Bate should return from injury too.

IN - Trengove, Scully, Bate, McKenzie, Cheney

Garland's injured, Wonna's not match fit, MacDonald will be burnt for pace.

OUT - Garland (knee), Wonna (unfit), MacDonald (too slow), ???, ???

Am I missing anybody?