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Sad to see Jack Trengove's career with us end like this. Cruelled by injury, still did everything and more to try and get back, but wasn't to be. We'll never know what he could have been. Hard to see any AFL club picking him up, but has leadership and footy smarts. Too early for a coaching career, and still goes OK ... player-coach at a lower league? All the best Jack.

They'd want to throw in a second rounder at least. Spencer is taller than Shiel for starters. #amIdoingthisright?

Not sure that Amos Tversky would meet all the requirements for an International rookie contract. I could be mistaken, but I believe you have to be alive.

Thought you had to have 10 years at the club? Though thought these vet contracts were being phased out?

Some here should go back over the first part of Josh Kennedy's career. Early on he was getting games at Carlton, but doing very little with them (5 goals in his first season, 6 in his second ...). It wasn't until his 4th season that he started averaging 2 goals a game, and his 6th before he exceeded that. Weideman has time on his side. (though also confirms how good Hogan is ...)

Maybe, but unless I'm mistaken, he's signed for another year.

Absolutely. Still 2+ years away.

Adelaide looking a class above so far.

You do if they're contracted.

And experience of applying it over and over, both individually and across the team.

Bad run of injuries for past 2 seasons, has hardly played. More than that, hard to say. Not just a long kick, but an accurate kick. Which we need.

"If there's one thing in life worse than being ignored in Dland, it's not being ignored on Dland". Oscar Wilde said that.

Stringer? Even if we wanted him, hard to see how we'd make it work, we're going to have to clean out the shop to get Lever as it is.

Convincing enough for the Nobel Prize committee.

Which isn't what you said at all is it. You said "significant" blunders ... You also said "Even Goodwin's greatest fan would acknowledge ..." when you don't speak for "Goodwin's greatest fan" nor are you able to predict what he/she would or wouldn't acknowledge. As for the workings of the brain, yes, after 100+ years of study, we have a pretty good idea of how it works. One of those ways is to take assumptions as facts: it's cognitively economical, and helps us function in a world that's a lot more unpredictable than we can deal with. If you want more, a little Kahneman and Tversky would be the place to start.

You're making a number of affirmations as if they were facts, but they're only opinions. I know in your head you think they're facts, it's the way the brain works, but in reality, they're not. When it comes to the inner workings of the coach and the coaching department, you're basically just guessing - as we all are.

You would hope so, if not, this year's miserable end will have been for nought. From seeing both Jones and Gawn, and now hearing from Goodwin, does seem to have put a rocket under them. The thing that jumped out to me in what he said mirrored something I've felt for a while, and that's the very real consequences of suspensions and injuries "which made the continuity of our playing list inconsistent". The long-term benefit of playing week in, week out with the same team in the same configuration can't be underestimated. Hopefully next year we can have a more settled side, and everything that goes with it.

He finished 4th in the B&F last year, might drop a bit this year, but won't be by much.

We’re not investors, we’re clients.

All covered by Jones' post/response, and to a lesser extent, his own post-game Press Conference. To the extent that it needs to be. And people complain that the players are soft.

All that Goodwin owes anyone is to get on with his job and act like a professional. Which, thank god, he's doing. It's not his job to go crawling up to sooky supporters.

Excellent. He's the head coach, his job isn't to wallow in self-pity. The supporters have that covered. (Though as the Jones post pointed out, the responsibility lies fairly and squarely with the players.)

Seriously? A journalist taking the [censored] at the expense of the poor-me, defeatist attitudes of Melbourne supporters is somehow going to help?

Merge with the Jake Lever thread?

Agree on Kennedy, but Spencer has value, even as reliable second ruck, and VDB and Kent could be looked at, they've both had matches where they showed they could play. Bugg ... not sure, perhaps for a team looking for a stopper or tagger. Also agree that none of them are worth much, but even a 3rd round pick isn't to be sniffed at, and I would have thought that that was a possibility.