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I saw that at the carnival. I rate my ability to pick out players traits. What I know I have no idea about (and many recruiters probably don't) is to identify what flaws are fixable and which ones aren't. Can you teach that skill? Roos always has our boys doing a bunch of handball drills to work on that but I wonder what percentage improvements you get. As for Duggan the 183cm may be a concern. With the way the game is going that's short for a back flanker or mid. If his speed is only average then his limited to positions and roles. You'd probably take a guy who's 188cm with 10% worse kicking because they'd be able to take more marks, defend more opponents and probably have an easier time winning clearances etc.

It's all there, but he's still very raw. He's not Jaegar O'Meara ready to go. Unless we hired a new fitness boss (and definitely with Roos' focus on defensive work rate) I'd expect him to start as a forward flanker, I'd be shocked if what I saw at the carnival translated to immediate ability to play midfield time, but then again Wines did it at Port.

Are we that young though? On the weekend we had Tyson, Viney, Kent, Salem, Barry as guys in their first 3 years. If Cross and Trengove are fit 2 of those guys probably don't play. The backline hasn't featured a young player all year. Tyson and Viney are the only young guys who have seen midfield minutes and up forward it's been Kent, Salem, JKH that's about it. Hogan will come in to that mix. And Gawn is a young ruck or even a young key forward given the development time they take. I'm certainly hoping Tyson and Viney (who are already doing well) aren't too many preseasons away from having the bodies of mature midfielders. And Kent and Salem both had significant interruptions in preseason, neither did serious training on the track before Christmas. We need mature depth and we need top end talent. I wouldn't put one as more important than the other. If the option is there for a Tyson trade then I'm all for it. If the option is there for Vince and Cross types to come to the club then that's what we need as well. If we have picks 3, 4 and 21 then if you can trade 21 for a Vince compared to pick 4 for someone not significantly better and unlikely to be elite then it might be the right move. Imagine trading pick 4 for Andrew Gaff and him being a pretty boring average wingman and seeing Petracca become a star.

Sensation game from Ed Langdon on the highlights tape. Presumably brother or cousin of Tom at the Pies. Kicks 4 and sets another one up. Some smart attacking run and play. Would be useful as a small forward if this games any guide.

He hasn't come yet. But I can't wait for Lyons to come next year and have 42 possessions and 4 goals.

Half forward/outside midfield. Ultimately we need to add top end quality to the list but we are still at the stage where we can add more guys around that 22-24 year old mark who have some experience and match fitness to contribute. If you had 5 or 6 first and second round draft picks you'd go for top end kids or trades only. But we dont so we have to gamble on at least one more guy who's in the same redemption category as Riley and Michie. On the weekend we had: Bail and Matt Jones - good effort players but lacking in skill Salem and Riley - both not fit enough to play at the level Kent - only in his second year and needs time to find consistency Plus Tyson and Viney playing big midfield minutes when more mature bodies should spell them And now we are talking about bringing in Blease. Plus Byrnes played earlier in the year! We will likely have to cut 6 or 7 from the list who just at the end of the year. Jetta gets elevated. After that it's still 5 or 6 spots and can't fill them all with 18 year old draft picks unless it's a super super draft. Once you get to pick 50 in the draft you usually get the same player with pick 70 or PSD anyway. So if we still think he has a future then Lyons is worth a shot.

Yes but way way too slow. Good kick, really nice size, good intercept mark. But Pedo has pace especially since he's got his fitness up. Sellar always lacked a yard I thought. My answer to the McDonald problem is Pedersen by the way. If Gawn steps up and we get some more mature and fitter forward flankers then I'd put Pedersen down back. He's got run and faith in his kicking.

Half of his long kicks to forwards were shanks. Even if you are bombing it long you should kick it long, with some height and to the forwards/rucks preferred side which is usually the boundary side. Instead he was kicking it and it was landing short and to the defenders side. He certainly wasn't our worst. This thread isn't about him being our worst. It's about me not seeing improvement or as much potential in him. I can't help but think we thought Al Nicholson was the future of our backline and player him year after year until we finally had to do something about it. My concern is that McDonald is going to be an Al Nicholson. You can win games with him. You might even win a final. But unless he gets a whole lot smarter you wont win big finals with him. In case you haven't notice Petrie is on his last legs. He's pretty much done and hasn't played well all season.

Drew Petrie. Really?

Let them. Hawthorn wouldn't touch a key defender who can't kick. Or they wouldn't put him in the team until he learns how. And they always defend and run with perfect intelligence. When their defenders get beat (Cheney and Schoenmakers, even Gibson) it's because one on one they get beat, it happens.

I hope he's restricted in his fitness because 1 goal 5 and 11 marks for Petrie including Petrie getting him on the lead multiple times is not up to scratch. I know North had good delivery but it's the lack of desperation to stop kicks up to the wing/flanks which is McDonald's main strength which is lacking. It's why I'm thinking he's just not smart enough to zone and read the play.

Don't care if this bites me on the back Jetta or Pedersen style. I'm putting it out there. It's not the kicking. With time that could improve. It's not even the defending errors that happen occasionally, they'll get better and he does a lot right. It's the lack of pace for a guy who's meant to have speed. It's the incredibly bad decision making with ball in hand regardless of kicking. It's the lack of help he provides team mates by running to help, at one time today Grimes got the ball under pressure and turned towards the boundary with Ziebell on his hammer. McDonald had run back behind Grimes to where he couldn't help at all instead of towards where Grimes would need help, and Grimes (less said about him the better) is nothing but consistent. I'm over Tom McDonald and I'm now at the stage where I'd love to be proven wrong. Personally I'd rather start again with someone who's a footballer first not an athlete.

Would just be depth behind Pedersen, Hogan and Dawes. I'm not super interested. I just said in the Juice thread if Frawley goes we need someone like Grimley to fill in so yeah I'd potentially take him for nothing but he's a depth prospect who's a just in case kind of player.

I know GWS have had so many picks they must be thinking needs based but would you really want to draft a tall defender/back up ruck number 1 overall? That's not a marquee position. I look at Collingwood with Frost coming off the rookie list and doing really well and even experienced defenders like Tom Lonergan, Teddy Richards, Zac Dawson and think it's more about finding some good athletes and tough guys and developing them rather than spending a number 1 pick, same with rucks. And if they did go needs based with the ruck I'd go for Wright as he's legit ruck size and can play the second ruck/forward role. I like the rest but I feel someone will burn down the kennel if they don't go a tall. Hrovat and Dalhaus are meant to be half forward speedsters. Johannisen from half back if he develops. Macrae isn't slow. Depends on the rest of their draft but they need some proper tall prospects.

Watts. Gets the ball. Wanders back 3 steps. Moves two steps to the side. Is called to play on. Now starts looking for targets. So annoying. 1. Lead 2. Mark 3. Play on straight away OR two or three steps off the mark, then spin quickly 4. Push back further off the mark 5. Move in the direction you will kick

I have to ask why are you on a footy forum talking about footy and interested in the draft yet your only watch Melbourne games. Considering how poor we've been on late that's an impressive level of dedication!But yes. Beau Waters is a hard as nails tough back pocket/flanker, Sam Mayes is a smooth moving, skillful utility who can play half forward, half back, wing and probably eventually midfield. So if a player is compared to both of them then that's impossible to know what he does well or not. The two I've read and seen on that list the most are Hugh Goddard and Jake Lever. Goddard is your prototypical tall developing prospect. He's got all the physical and footballing tools the question is just whether he really leaps out and dominates games. But he has skills and athleticism and you could put him half back or half forward. He probably reminds me of Lachie Henderson in that he'll end up a good player at a minimum. I'd say we'd be super keen if Frawley left and he was around and we had pick 3-6. Lever you'd like to see grow just a bit to 195cm so he's the right size but he's a natural key defender. Just one of those kids who's way ahead of the others his age at defending. But he's done a knee and missed this year. But he's like Col Garland as just a quality half back who will stop goals and get the ball going the other way. Whether you'd use a top pick on a guy coming off a knee who might be undersized and just a half back is another question.

The NFC west should now have 4 teams with excellent defenses, you could argue they might be the 4 best in the entire league all in one division. And none of them have the top range big money QB's and they are committed to the ground game. Going to be some epic games between those 4 teams this year. My early tip for playoff teams NFC West: Seattle South: New Orleans East: Philly North: Detroit WC: Atlanta and Arizona AFC: North: Baltimore South: Colts West: San Diego East: New England WC: Denver and Bengals

Jono Brown the most famous. Mark Murphy said thanks but no thanks.

Jack Viney is working out pretty well but I'd usually be against a coach picking his own son. How it differs here is that Roos will be out of the senior coaching job in 2 years and therefore wont be senior coach for his own son for too long. As long as Roos stays out of the recruiting process then I'd trust the recruiters. No nothing about the kid except he looks confident and I decent size when down at training helping out his old man.

I'm not saying he isn't popular. Was only saying he has great confidence. The ability to walk in to Roos' office and ask for a full game and then back it up. That's a great thing.

Don't want to over state it and make him sound like the next superstar of the game but what JKH has is that obvious self belief that borders on arrogance that most of the good players have. I could see how it could grate on people. But he backs it up with great work ethic and so far some really good results on field. Jack Viney has it as well. Same with Jesse Hogan. There's nothing wrong with the kids who come in to clubs like a young Col Garland and don't speak for 2 years. But especially with the group of players we had with their confidence shot there is nothing wrong with some confidence.

Man he has fast clean hands. Just body the ball and zoom and he's straight out of traffic. Lovely to watch. He'll be an ok crumbing forward but this kids a midfielder just waiting to build up his tank and strength.

Yeah they're trying to move it later to steal the limelight from the NBA but they are really just hurting themselves. I think the Texans want a trade but probably can't find one. I'm not buying the Atlanta move. I think as good as he's been they've probably learn from the Julio Jones trade that it's not worth it. Selling more of their future for Clowney would be a big mistake. They need an O line, TE, possibly a RB, third receiver and help all over the defense to win a superbowl not just one pass rusher. I'm hoping for their sake Cleveland hold strong and wait until their late first round pick for QB. Vikings as well got to be thinking about second round or later surely. I like Bridgewater, Carr and Murray just as much as Bortles if not more. Time for some NFL teams to head the lessons of Paul Roos and trading back in the draft!

Combining 2 of my favourite things - Being a cruel bastard - Crazy ideas I'd force him to wear a helmet when he plays. See if he reacts and puts his head over it then.

The moral of the story is as always draft best available. I'm not overly impressed by having Jamar, Spencer, Gawn, Fitzy, Pedo as our ruck department and having to pick 2 of those guys each week. But at the same time I think you can win games with them. I'd also want another quality forward in the pipeline behind Dawes and Hogan. So there's room for a ruck and a forward and there's especially room for a guy who can play both at a high level. Of course you have to be careful drafting ruckmen early. I'd stay away from a number 1 pick on a ruck because at 18 it's very hard to measure the develop of any player yet alone a 200cm kid. But Wright is mainly a forward and in the Daniher mold. So I'm not adverse to him. If he's the clearly most talented kid then you take him. What I'm really hoping is we don't have the number 1 pick. We have to frank our form against Carlton (and even Gold Coast, GWS, Saints) and turn that into wins.