DeeSpencer

Rivers doesn't have a great tank. He's a good ball winner and smart around the contest. The wing wouldn't suit him. If he's to progress to half back it should be in to the on ball rotation.

Wishful thinking. 2017 turnarounds rarely happen for a reason. May's never played more than 17 games in a season. Brown needs to not only bounce back after a dreadful year but go to another level to get anything near what Riewoldt did that year. Petracca's the closest thing to Dusty but still a mile off him. But the biggest difference is the Tigers were recruiting for speed for the best part of a decade and after coaching against their personnel they finally got a game plan going. We've recruited for contested ball winners which is a failed strategy given how good the pressure is these days. Slow and unskilled players will turn the ball over under pressure and then it takes a whole lot of ball winning to keep getting it back enough times. I see more similarities with Port last year in the way they've turned around a middling side with a ball winning midfield in to something far more exciting. I don't think we have the backline and outside midfield class or enough grunt and aggression in the forward line to really scare teams. Of course the most vital thing for us to improve on to match contenders is our midfield playing selfless, skilled, super hard running footy

Weid's my favourite handballer on the list, has great timing and technique on both sides. Just doesn't get enough of the ball and is terrible defensively. I suspect we'll start with Brown and Weid together, I just don't think it will work. I'd love for Weid to genuinely grab hold of his spot and not let it go.

He’s sharper at ground level with better agility. He’ll find more of the ball on the lead or in general play and be better defensively. Teams only need 1 go to tall target. Particularly with Gawn, Jackson, Fritsch and Petracca in the side we don’t need Weid’s big clunk marking or contesting.

FB: Hibberd May Hore HB: Rivers Lever Salem Int: Lockhart/Tomlinson C: Langdon Petracca Jackson R: Gawn Oliver Viney Int: Harmes, Sparrow HF: Spargo Petty Hunt FF: Pickett Brown Fritsch Int: ANB/draft picks Got to give Jackson a chance at the Blicavs wing/ruck role, with the occasional rest forward. Brown and Weid won’t work, especially with Fritsch. Petty is a better support man. Sparrow offers more versatility than Gus. Heavy midfield rotations and vital. The 6th and 7th defenders (Hore, Lockhart, Tomlinson) and especially the 6/7th forwards (Hunt, ANB) might all need upgrading. A draft pick in to that forward/mid rotation is a must

Are you talking about back when he got injured? Covid and list sizes might’ve changed that. And there was nothing mentioned back then about it being a Kia in list spot. He’s the perfect player to put back through the rookie list.

I'm going to assume Nietschke hasn't officially been contracted and say that at this stage we've got 32 on the list signed up and 0 cat A rookies. The aim is to get to 38 and 4, plus until I know better Bradtke as a B. 10 total list spots. 6 main, 4 rookies. I'd say good bye to Mitch Brown and Oscar. Then we've got 5 more out of contract: Bedford, Jordon, Chandler (r), Nietschke, Lockhart (r). We can keep all 5 and have 5 draft picks. As it stands it would be 3 main list and 2 rookies. But we can move a main list player (Nietschke) down to the rookie list and go 4-1.

Quick skilled players - ideally versatile. Get 3 if we can but I'd settle for 2. Key defender. We need a May replacement developing ASAP.

I feel like I need to plaster it everywhere 'points are only useful comparisons for like for like picks or teams that need points'. Collingwood gave away Treloar for free to get pick 14 today. Last year our trade up with North was apparently so out of whack we had to win the flag just to draw even (then we did the Freo deal, add in free agent compo and we've probably won the deal). For pick 2, you'd want to win the deal by 500 or so points. North are guided by Glen Luff formerly from Champion Data who has more at state with the points system than most but I don't think he'd blindly trust it.

Neither of those deals are anything close to the value of pick 2 if big Loges is half as talented as many predict. Ideally I'd want two top 10 picks, like 7 and 8 from Essendon maybe with something minor back the other way. If the Pies got up to 5 using a future first and combined that with 16 then maybe, or they could do 14 and 16 for 9 and change and then add their future first with 9. Trading down is a smart move when you stay in the same draft range, but elite key forwards are their own draft range and not one you trade out of.

Witherden crumbles under pressure. We have too many similar players already. Phillips would've been handy but I expect we couldn't move on Tommy and that ruled us out. If we wanted his contract to come down we would've had to pay up a decent pick. Personally I like the longer term solution to our lack of run and skills by going to the draft. That's where you find guys who can run, kick and do it under pressure. Most of the guys up for trade are up for trade for a reason. I'm not that keen on either of those players but delisted free agency is absolutely a market we should look closely at. They'll be value out there this year.

Can trade them. I think up until a week before the draft and then again on the night. Look for us to move up if/when we identify a talent somewhere in the 7-12 range I'd imagine.

Think he only had 1 vfl game where he had over 20 touches. https://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=205069080&client=1-118-10449-518179-26138799 Hard worker, willing tackler, but I don't think he has great upside as a ball winner if he can't use his run to find it on the outside. And his kicking is neat enough but doesn't stand out. If it comes down prioritising Jordon, Nietschke, Bedford and Chandler I don't think he's clearly at the front of that list just on draft order alone. I'd have all 4 back if we've got the list spots but it might be via the rookie draft or the supplemental list period or even via Casey.

Half the draft pool hasn't played and another half is tied up with other clubs so how could you rate this draft? At the same time - we're in a window right now with Gawn, May, Oliver, Petracca - to really win some games. We can't be sitting back waiting. And the available trade talent is mostly poor or overpriced. Another Jackson, Pickett, Rivers draft with some short term results and a pathway to strong medium term success for both the young guys and the side is our best way out of this mess. So it appears we're diving in to the deep end of the most compromised draft in recent history. Over to you Jason Taylor.

1. Gambling on good ladder finishes that seem unlikely 2. Giving away good 2nd round picks for short term wins - Frost, Hibberd, Melksham, the Howe trade to get the Weid pick 3. Develop a list heavy on top end talent but with huge holes 4. Profit?

Don’t we need a future second to trade our future first? Could be 18 and future second for 25 and a future first. We’d be taking a big risk to do that

Makes sense from the point of view of: Trade an asset with value, take on a free experienced player to cover so your kids aren’t massively overexposed. The worst possible thing for clubs to do is get so young they lose all structure and leadership. The problem is North have some smart people in their footy department who are looking at ways to use cap space and list spots creatively. Front loading deals, buying cheap on Stephenson, grabbing Young from the dogs.

Id settle for Lachie Henderson. Another player who’s body and spirit looked pretty well broken before a Strong comeback this year

If said key forward is slow enough and we get enough up field pressure it could work. And if Tom doesn’t butcher it. Pretty much the same set of conditions needed for Oscar to play with some success in a few games. I think we’ll be better off with Hore, Tomlinson or possibly Smith but at least it’s an option.

I think it would be back to the future with Tom down back. If we play a Richmond or to the next level Geelong style of fold back defending where we almost always keep a spare at ground level to cover he could play that role. We’d have to ask him to never ever play on and kick the ball. And it would hamper our chances of playing up tempo footy but it would at least give him a fresh look at things. True defensive depth right now is nonexistent so we need the cover. And Steve May would at least try to provide him some leadership.

We did, but we’re riding Anthony Van Dyck

Watch us slip in a future 2nd for a future 4th. You know, late picks and all

Uncontracted players should be some form of free agent. We have bonkers rules that say a player without a deal is somehow traded. It makes no sense. Free agency should start and the race would be on to sign players as quick as possible. Contracted players should be traded at any time until the start of the season, but with deadlines before the draft, before Christmas and before the last preseason game.

We finally got the answer of what Chris Dawes would look like if he played on the wing or half back flank. The man moves like a bath tub.

They just got a really nice deal for Fogarty. They took Saad pretty much until the situation was looking like breaking down, Essendon did toss in pick 48 but otherwise never flinched and they caved. But they can probably justify it with the Fogarty deal. If Melbourne really have nothing else left to do that impacts the Brown deal we should wait until the deadline.