Dr. Gonzo

If Roos couldn't get the best out of Howe that's on Howe, not the club. He's overrated anyway takes some decent intercept marks, does the odd thing that sets up the play but still turns it over more than he should

Further up the creek than 17th? Once you're that far downstream does it even matter?

Dude they're not pinching Oliver from us, it's Frost FFS

I'm betting you wish you could be as "fat" as May, I know I do

Every club does exit interviews with every player. The players know where the club stands in regards to them

Thirdly he's injury prone and would be 30 by the time the contracts up.

Meh, pretty average clip though it looks like it's taken from 1 game. Nothing that entices there though. Now this kid looks kid, only concern would be size but he would look great on a wing. The obvious caveat being this is the only tape I've seen of either of these kids.

oMac is contracted Frost is not. That's about the only difference in the club's position on the 2.

Hore May Jetta Salem Lever Hibberd Where does Frost fit in?

Of course you don't let them off the hook but you can't get rid of 25 players in one hit Frost just happens to be unfortunate enough to play a position we have a few options in. If he was a small forward his turnovers wouldn't be so much of an issue and he'd probably have a contract. Alas as a key defender he's always going to be on borrowed time when we have May Lever OMac (regardless what you might think if him) and Petty in a development role

Jesus wept Nah what makes him standout is the amount of times his turnovers go flying back over our defenders heads for an opposition score

How is this year's looking?

This was what Yze was originally brought in to do at the Hawks

One of our biggest issues in 2019 was scores from turnovers. One of our biggest culprits was Frost. It's not rocket science to say " see ya later" if he's asking for more than we're willing to pay.

When Hore was injured?

If they're all out injured throughout the year we're not gonna be playing finals anyway.

I think you've got this back to front

He wasn't "best 22" he got games due to our diabolical injury list

Because he's not that good, doesnt hold his position and is the biggest culprit for turning the ball over and being scored against.

If we have a fit list Frost doesn't get a game.

Sorry mate, I meant who would you trade in for pick 3? It's all well and good to say " a Prestia or Shiel type" but if there's none on the market there's not much you can do about it except take it to the draft.

That should be "trade" not draft, can't edit the post

We should've taken Darling but got spooked from the propaganda coming out of WA . Taking Gysberts before Talia was another massive error that people called at the time. Toumpas over wines as well. None of these are hindsight, most thought this at the time

I wanted Lynch and was annoyed Gold Coast got him the pick before us. I thought it was stupid we didn't then take Darling. But other than a handful of players I wouldn't have known much about these kids being drafted. I don't think I'd even heard much if anything about Lucas cook before we drafted him but I could be wrong, it was 10 years ago

Not sure why you're being so aggressive about it, I wanted Scully and Trengove, I thought the selections of Gysberts, Cook and Toumpas were mistakes. Buy it's not up to me, what the hell do I know? I might see 5 minutes of YouTube highlights on these kids if I'm lucky, we employ people whose job it is to know this stuff. The draft isn't the panacea but it can't be ignored altogether. Do that and you're stuffed. The fact is it is a lottery but the more chances you have the more chances you have to get it right. You also need to have the right environment to bring these kids into and let them develop, expecting them to put the team on their back and drag them up the ladder is doomed to failure.