RalphiusMaximus

I'm still hoping to hear O'Brien named.  He's another very good runner, can take a mark and has kicked a bag against us.  The Hawks are looking to shed some players to make room for another big play, so that could fit. 

It's all been said, but they have a bloody good coach in The Rat and they don't have any stars eating up cap space so there is plenty of money to throw at players to get them across.  I don't know that they have what it takes to develop into a premiership side, but Ratten has a record of getting a team to play well above itself and they should play finals. 

I wouldn't give a top ten pick.  The only reason Carlton are considering it is because Sydney don't want to trade. 

4 minutes ago, A F said:

No. Frost is told to look elsewhere because we don't want him anymore. Capiche?

Actually, Frost hasn't been told to look elsewhere.  He's been told that if he wants more money that we've offered he will need to find it elsewhere. 

Might be a straight swap Frost for O'Brien? 

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

he is defender tmac not forward tmac. And for those with short memories he was horrendous in the d50

He was a good defender but butchered his kicks and hurt us with turnovers.

I'd take him as a (near) freeby. Has pace to burn. His kicking isn't any worse than 90% of our list. I remind you all that Bartram was a disgraceful kick, but he worked on it, learned his limits and became solid if not damaging.

2 hours ago, Yokozuna said:

Just putting it out there, and before anyone asks and says i am trolling, I will not be giving any names (my source has demanded I don’t) but I have heard we are really trying to get a key forward from another vic team!!

I will let you all guess away (or conversely have a crack at me for not naming anyone and making it up), but I will only say he is from a vic team and has been mentioned nowhere in the media.

We all know Elliott was not the only player we have been talking too!

 

It's Tom Boyd, isn't it? He's decided he wants another shot.

So basically what we have here is another TMac with better disposal. He runs all day, can take a good mark and hits his targets. Not super fast, but not slow either. If he just roams the wing all day he'll give us pretty good value.

36 minutes ago, Macca said:

I'm tired of the references to AVB as well

He's constantly injured and we can't be relying on him.being available.  Hannan is overated.  I don't dislike either player but one doesn't play and the other doesn't play very well.

Got any other options?  Show me some talent

As for fitness,  try bone-lazy.  The team hardly gave a yelp all season and should be called out for it.

Actually,  Lewis did call out the playing group with his speech at the B & F.  Don't let them off the hook AF.  We've let them off the hook in the past by sacking coaches.

Look at all the assistants that have departed.  What does that tell you?  It tells me the message isn't getting through and the players are calling the shots again. 

Occam's Razor.

Do you actually understand Occam's Razor?  I ask because your second last paragraph contains assumptions, and Occam's Razor states that (assuming a lack of evidence in favour of one explanation over the others) the explanation which requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. 

Also, it is neither an argument in and of itself, a form of evidence nor a proof.  It is simply a reasoning tool for use when you lack real evidence (which is admittedly the case with 99% of forum posts). 

Best thing about Track is that he makes scores happen. He may not get a disposal or credit for an assist, but a LOT of scores were caused by him crashing into people, tapping the ball out and generally wreaking havoc.

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Anyone know how he went in the 2km TT, yo-yo test and 20m sprint?

I don't think he featured in the top results. 

I think he'll stay with the Pies. They'll give him a third year and talk up their flag chances. That plus staying with his friends plus better facilities... 

I'm a little annoyed we didn't make a play for Bruce. He's not a word-beater, but he'd fit in with our mobile talks. 

As it stands now, I wonder if it would be worth taking a punt on McBean? He has size, can pinch in the ruck and had a big season in the SANFL. At 25 he'd be ready to go right away and put some pressure on Weed to improve.

Young topped the agility test at the combine.  That's often a good indicator.

8 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Would want to be an outstanding talent.

Exactly. 

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I’m still laughing.  Drugs. Alcohol. Injury.  No way.  

Potentially a PR bonanza as well as an onfield star. 

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

At the start I didn't want him.

But now I do. I want us to be bold with our recruiting and start to take risks on the Harley Bennells and Marlion Picketts of the world.

Exactly.  It kills me every year to see other clubs take a risk on highly talented players and getting great rewards while we play it safe and get good clubmen with great character who will do a solid job on the field but never set the game alight or win a match off their own boot.  We need to find a way to get some serious elite talent into the club and he's a free hit that could turn into just that. 

15 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Brodie Kemp

I really like the look of this kid.  I think there's some massive upside there.  I'm not sure we'd take him with pick three, but if we split it and downgrade a few spots he'd be a great get. 

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

He can be taken with our last pick and given an incentive based contract.

Nope.  He's a free agent.  We don't need to use a pick on him.  The only thing he costs us is one spot on our list and whatever salary we agree to.  Given we have two Wagners on our list, we obviously don't value list spots too highly. 

My biggest issue with this is that he's going to the Hawks.  [censored] the Hawks.  They refuse to release an assistant who by all reports was desperate to come to us.  They took our one and only AA-quality player when we were the worst side in the league.  $cully plays there.  I'd rather send him to Collingwood. 

9 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yep, and fail to comprehend the big problem in the real scheme of things..............how the [censored] did we end up 2nd last on the ladder?

That's easy to understand.  Our coaches have no [censored] idea how to play.

1 minute ago, chookrat said:

Agree fully re Gawn, not only his onfield performance and presence but also his maturity as a leader and ability to communicate and command an audience. 

Im supportive of Gawn being our sole captain and Viney and one other as VC. 

I can't remember the game, but it was a come from behind win.  They interviewed Oliver after the match and asked when he thought they had the game won.  He said that they were down, heading to the centre for a bounce, and Gawn looked over, gave him a wink and said something along the lines of "no worries, we've got this boys," and he just knew that they were going to win. 

The 7Mate trade show just discussed this.  They said we look like a chance, but the Hawks are sniffing around and they are really good at getting their target if they show a genuine interest. 

On SEN earlier today (4ish?) they said that this deal is all but done.  I don't know how highly you rate that information, but it was in response to a text asking if Melbourne were doing anything.  They said Tomlinson is done bar signing the paperwork, Langdon will get done and we're ahead in the race for Elliott.