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And C Data had the Bulldogs at 15 in 2019, 2nd this year.

Because we're so good at doing that

Pretty sure its so you can tell how the ball spins in the air....

This is all that is required. Good teams are full of role players. They key is knowing what that role is and getting buy in. We have enough talent. We may be a bit short on game breakers but Goodwin has admitted that players lost faith in the plan and weren't playing for each other. They were confused and hence got caught betwixt and between with ball in hand. He said they didn't work enough on the basics and tried to add too many layers of complexity and nuance which all fits (except if you are a happy clapper who screeches 'injuries!' at every turn) Hopefully 2020 is a lot clearer - my question mark remains over the whole new shiny coaching panel. They need to get their act together very quickly. We can't afford for them to be out of synch - and find that we are 0 and 5

They don't need his help for that...

Shame its not a beauty contest

Serve's them right

Sure Cam

How about we wait to see whether the pre-season s 'interrupted'?

80 games over 8 seasons. I liked his best footy but lets not call it a real career. He was fringe at best

I think you have to say our recruiting team is doing a great job. They are open, easy to deal with, give a little here get a little there, innovative, occasionally smart and ahead of the curve and ultimately get who they want. You set out your plan, you look at what you have to sell in terms of picks and players and you go after what you want. By and large we get the job done. Sometimes we give away more on the surface (a la Hogan) but we as supporters dont always know the facts behind the trades. We generally end up in a better position than before we started. Other clubs deal with us because we don't play games, are genuine and commercial. Compare that the Dumbdoro at Essendon* who would drive me insane as a supporter. Whether we pick the right players is another question that will play out over a few years but I think you have to give the recruiting guys a high mark for achieving what they set out to do. * check this out Hawthorn also selected former Essendon swingman Michael Hartley in the pre-season draft after the Bombers refused to delist him. The 26-year-old had a one-year offer from Essendon on the table but delisted himself to join the Hawks. What a goose Dumbdoro is

This is so blindingly obvious but the happy clappers keep saying it was only injuries..... no system, no clue with ball in hand. Roll on 2020

rivers

Maybe we thought Jackson was a better bet than Green. Keep in mind GWS may hve taken Jackson had we nominated Green

This is what I find really hard to accept. We had enough experienced people at the club who repeatedly spoke about not getting carried away with a Prelim - they know there was work to be done. Goodwin even flagged it multiple times re the Hawthorn final and then inexplicably chose to not to sit down with the team and review the Prelim (his own words). Richmond made the prelim under Frawley and didn't see finals for another 12 years. We aren't that team but I hope like hell Goodwin has looked inside himself to unlock the issues - even if he doesn't explain them publicly. Re the draft they have gone bold which I don't mind. Jackson has plenty of upside and Pickett could be the most exciting player since Jurrah - x-factor we have been missing. Lets go 2020.

Clearly didn't watch Oliver ........

Aaron Davey says hi.. so so we went after Jamie Elliot and ended up with Pickett. That's a great get IMO. And we save around $700k a year...

This is demonlands wines v Toumpas moment for prosperity. i told you he was a spud i always wanted him at 3 i can't believe we didn't draft x

Great trade. Tyson was a 1 trick pony and not a great one at that. Also didn't play this year and we got a potential gun that can play multiple positions. Win win.

I'm not sure that theory holds water, can you name one instance where that has happened?

I can finally go back to listening to Gerard on 3aw Stopped listening after Hooksey died because Der Wayne is such a plonker

Here is a really unusual suggestion for pick 10. Seems to have been overlooked. Why don't we just pick a [censored] gun player

@Ethan Tremblay The trade whisperer - Yesterday's man....

You had to edit that post? Did you spell blah wrong?

Goodwin is already on record as saying that they underestimated 6-6-6 and that they made the mistake of trying to add complexity and nuance to their gameplan rather than work on refining the basics. They're just two things he has addressed. There are others. So I don't buy the 'didn't have the cohesion' story. If they didn't have the cohesion it was in the coaching dept. A wholesale change in the way we structure the coaching and fitness dept isn't tinkering at the edges. It's a fundamental shift. Maybe they have acknowledged that internally and are trotting out the company line publicly. That's fine. You wouldn't expect them to come out and say 'we totally botched it and have got rid of all the muppets who couldn't coach'. What it does do is put a whole heap of pressure on the first 5-6 rounds next year. New coaching staff, new fitness staff, new Director of coaching. They need to get he cohesion of the coaching dept working pretty well or it will be carnage if we 0-5.