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But did he say he opted out before tb4, or just before the other blokes went onto some regime which he had no idea what it was. If the latter, guilt does not follow simply from that.
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ASADA does not have the resources and probably has better things to do than follow the detailed behaviour of all the banned players. I'd be very surprised if they could nail anyone with half a brain. What are they going to do - see a player running laps, corner him and ask him how he knows he should be running at just at that speed? And if he meets his trainer at a random oval or gym somewhere, does ASADA have the resources to spot that? Even if there is a risk of being caught, being idle for a year and then hoping to play AFL again is probably a bigger risk.
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With the club - surely nothing to stop him hiring a personal trainer paid for by an anonymous donor. And if that trainer has coffee with MFC staff...?
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While that is quite possible, surely injecting unknown substances is extremely serious and not much below killing someone. I can imagine cases where someone is killed being less serious in terms of the degree of negligence by the company (with a more unfortunate result). A great chance for the magistrate to go for the maximum and call for the maximum to be raised.
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The trouble with that plan is that the B league would be regarded by everyone as the A league.
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Eddie McGuire wants AFL preseason winner to be granted finals berth Immediate problem - what if the difference between the 12th and 13th team when his mini finals begin is a small percentage difference. Or even points but team on 12th had a much easier draw up to that point. I expect the team on 13th would not be happy to miss out on a chance at the finals. And if the NAB winner proves to be hopeless during the season, which lucky team gets to play them in the finals.
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Everyone (I presume) rates Trengove on talent. But a club might rate him as a great talent but also a great injury risk. Looks like at the end of 2014 MFC thought the risk plus possible benefits of the draft outweighed keeping him and Richmond thought the risk worth taking (initially). So your conclusion does not automatically follow unless you widen the usual definition of 'rate' to include injury issues rather than just talent. Perhaps that is what you meant in which case who could disagree.
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An excellent article, but I doubt that those who don't want to know would bring themselves to read so much detail. A damming fact new to me was:
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From the article: Am I right in recalling that here was no need for the EFC players to be under the spotlight if they hadn't 'self-reported'.
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In mid to late 2013 Martin Hardie, a legal academic from Deakin University who has conducted long-term research into the anti-doping regimes in Australian and international cycling, was approached to provide assistance to the Essendon Football Club following the claims made about the club's use of supplements during the 2011-2012 season. Surely this can't be the same person who wrote objective academic articles about how innocent Essendon was? I wonder if Hardie has any explanation as to what happened to all the records of the program which he claims was carefully documented. Other than the obvious one that it showed that his claim that it was all legal is baloney.
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Some of these AFL people beggar belief - anything rather than considering that the players might just perhaps have been guilty. No, they can't be - they're our boys, not Chinese or Russians. It's really quite sickening.
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Very interesting. I hope we make a fuss too. I bet the AFL did not offer Port, Saints and us the top-up option in case we diminished the stock of players that EFC could pursue. Then again, maybe I'm ascribing too much foresight to the hapless characters running our game.
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Gotta love Hird's choice of words in his latest foray into blame everyone but himself. In the Age he is quoted saying: "There was no directive from the club and I think you read - I think that was a mistake by some of the players. If you read the CAS report, it says the 34 players didn't disclose," he said. "Well, 34 players weren't tested in that year. Only 21 of the players were tested. That absolves - there's 13 that weren't tested. " I dimly recall the CAS judgement did not say 34 didn't disclose, just those who were asked. Is that right? And what does Hird think the 13 are absolved of? http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-34-james-hird-says-players-made-a-mistake-in-keeping-quiet-20160119-gm8vrf.html
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Labor run ABC ??- that's why the person who used to run the highly influential national breakfast radio news program had a 'promo' spot interview for John Howard every Friday when he was in the wilderness and she then went on to be a Liberal member of parliament in NSW with thoughts of moving federally, why Amanda Vanstone has a regular hour program, plus a couple of others similar, eg. TS. Just because the ABC reports differently than Murdoch doesn't make it labor. Just makes it not biased in the Murdoch direction. To avoid hijacking the thread further, I won't comment on anything in reply.
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From her response below Ms Holmes does not know that what makes an interview hard-hitting is the follow-up questions. Disgraceful that the ABC used her for the sort of pap we except on some commercial media http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/viewers-slam-tracey-holmes-joke-abc-interview-with-james-hird-20160117-gm7vi2.html
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Glad to hear Hogan is working on his marking. As good as he was last year, i had the impression he ran under the ball quite often. Might be a wrong impression.
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Did she ask him why no records were kept?
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It would only be fair if the AFL supports Lovett-Murray in some way like they plan to do for those still playing. Will be interesting to see if fair is in the AFL's vocabulary.
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because there has hardly been even a whiff of investigative journalism done in this saga. The media generally reported little but leaks from self-interested parties plus articles designed to bring comfort to EFC supporters or those who think only Chinese athletes deserve examination for drug cheating.
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But is it any better for us spectators?
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I'd love to see him interviewed by the BBC radio guy who runs "Hard Talk" interviews (serious ones, not Tom Gleeson). When someone waffles on he interrupts and says, "Please answer the question I asked, not the one you'd like to answer".
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB – JAKE MELKSHAM
sue replied to Theo's topic in Melbourne Demons
I'm not assuming it either. Just on my relentless crusade to turn up improbable excuses for the players. -
WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB – JAKE MELKSHAM
sue replied to Theo's topic in Melbourne Demons
I've tried and failed to think up plausible excuses for the players not reporting the injections. Here's a new attempt (boy am I leaning over backwards for these cheats): I wonder if they didn't report it to ASADA partly (if not wholly) simply because of embarrassment caused by not knowing what they were being injected with. What would you do if faced with a form which stated "please list any supplements you have had in the last x months' and you had no idea what they were? -
Is there any chance that the interviewer might surprise Hird (and us) by really going for him in an attempt to make a big splash and perform a breakthrough in her hum-drum career? Odds 50:1?
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I think this from that article is a wise move which I think we have now made: The sorry saga showed sports boards needed to conscript independent directors, rather than high-profile and powerful fans unlikely to topple a hero such as Hird.