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Sorry just realised made same point as made earlier!

One thing to consider is the relative strength of the relevant drafts and the fact that draftees are on two-year contracts. Whilst Garland is clearly in his last year (s) it might he more elegant from a list perspective for his list spot to be cleared at the end of next season. Also relevant is how easily it will be to free room on the list the year after. You dont want to be having to delist/expose players you want to keep, also don't want to be locked into a kid with a low round pick this year when you might need the list room at the end of next year for better kids/draft. quite feasible Maynard and Keilty need to be added to senior list at end 2018 as well and with draftees that could mean five spots to clear minimum hypothetically.

He was comfortably their best player in 10 or so games and BOG in at least half of them.

christ! ANB gets votes from 17 touches at 47% with a 3-14 contested possession split and 7 uncontested marks! Possibly most overrated player in Melbourne's history. 6. Oliver 5. Petracca 4. Lewis 3. Hunt 2. Jones 1. Salem

Pedersen Hogan Jones Hibberd Oliver Melksham

15.4.3 Permitted Contact Other than the Prohibited Contact identified under Law 15.4.5, a Player may make contact with another Player: (a) by using their hip, shoulder, chest, arms or open hands provided that the football is no more than 5 metres away from the Player; (b) by pushing the other Player with an open hand in the chest or side of the body provided that the football is no more than 5 metres away from the Player; (c) by executing a Correct Tackle; (d) by executing a Shepherd provided that the football is no more than 5 metres away from the Player; or (e) if such contact is incidental to a Marking contest and the Play

There is another rule in the laws of the game where it says you are allowed to use an open hand to push another player in the chest as long as the ball is within 5 metres.

6.Cam Pedersen 5 Clayton Oliver 4 Nathan Jones 3 James Harmes 2 Angus Brayshaw 1 Jayden Hunt Lewis, Hibberd very stiff

6. Gawn 5. Vince 4. Jetta 3. Lewis 2. Oliver 1. Hibberd

Agree, there is no way anyone can say with confidence that he staged. Elbows are insidious weapons in fighting. Anyone who has seen some Muay Thai will know that glancing elbow blows frequently knock very tough fighters out and also leave horrific cuts. Sure there is a possibility Clarrie embellished it but there is no way it would have been fun being on the receiving end of a glancing elbow to the point of the chin from a 195cm unit.

6. Jack Viney 5. Tom McDonald 4. Max Gawn 3. Dom Tyson 2. Clayton Oliver 1. Bernard Vince

Yeah he's done some very good things and a couple top class pieces of play.. Adam Cerra, Joel Garner, James Worpel all look class players from their bits of involvement. but a lot of the smaller guys look very good too, Dylan Moore is one. It's been a terrific game.

The standard of this game in terms of attacking footskills is as good as I've seen at this level.

Got a rare look at Casey and my thoughts: Jack Trengove - made a few bad kicking errors in defence but was generally neat and composed and still has bit of class. Without any speed and a middling inside game, he is limited and it would be impossible to pick him in the same side as Vince and Lewis. Billy Stretch - I thought was a solid game gathering a fair bit of it both inside and out and generally OK with his ball use and decision making. Lacked a cutting edge to his game but still handy in reserve. Dean Kent - looks unfit/carrying condition and definitely looks injured (playing like he has lower back issues, could barely stretch for marks and was very upright when attacking the ball at ground level.) He had some good moments but if you were watching the game in isolation you would say he is a long way off his best AFL form. Jay Kennedy-Harris - won a fair bit of it in the first half and was probably in the best four or five Scorpions to half time before being sacrificed to be the holdover on Monday. Probably a better midfielder than he is a crumbing forward but probably too small to play that role at AFL level. Sam Weideman - over four quarters played really well. He is still so light that his best moments are Jack Watts type pieces of play, leading up to the ball carrier and being a link man. I think he had a direct hand in five goals with his ground level play, (the bit of play to set up Lewis-Smith's goal was exceptional)and could have kicked five or six himself. Still a fair way off being a consistent AFL key forward because he can't take compete physically to take the dominant marks fan crave, but this game suggests he is on the right track. Probably needs to be shielded from AFL footy for a while to build confidence and strength. Liam Hulett - where Weideman's game gives cause for optimism, Hulett's does the polar opposite. I thought he looked a likely type last year but he was practically invisible for much of the game today and when he was involved he looked rigid and trickless and unable to make anything of half chances. I don't know if he is playing injured but he seems to have a lost a yard of pace compared to last year and didn't seem to be able to present to contests in a meaningful way. Jake Spencer - fair task for him to come in and first ruck off lengthy break and he was serviceable without bashing the door down. It's going to be an interesting conundrum for the selectors whether to bring him or not off an OK game where he rucked manfully but had no other influence. Ben Kennedy - was very busy and played with more adventure than most, to be one of the Scorps better and more damaging players. Again just lacked that bit of polish to be confident he could be anything more than a serviceable AFL contributer. Dion Johnstone - did some good things in a very blue collar crumbing forward type game. He harrasses and competes really well and he kicks with penetration. The query on him is whether he, like a few others, has the tricks and craft to be able cause trouble for defenders at ground level and hit the scoreboard. I don't think a good finals-type AFL side can play a purely negating forward. Worth persevering though. Tim Smith - coming back from injury he had a few meaningful moments before getting injured in particular a quality centre clearance and some good leading patterns up forward. Not sure there is enough athleticism/tricks there? Mitch White - I thought he was excellent and looked a bit quicker than usual. He probably didn't win that much of the football, but his kicking off half back was flawless to my eye and his composure and consistency though the game was very good, including some very important contest wins. Problem for him is that he is in a crowded position group on the list and he is probably too good for VFL footy and maybe lacks the athleticism for AFL. I went into the game thinking he was probably the lowest ranked player on our rookie list and perhaps the entire list, but he's definitely a better player than that. Josh Wagner - best on ground - brilliant reading of the role of the rebounding half-back - defended well, offered run, was creative with his kicking. His AFL form this year has been below his play of last year, maybe he was recalled too quick off injury but this was a game of a player who can step it up a notch next he gets a chance. Declan Keilty - he was a decent contributer. He competed well and has frame that will always keep his opponent honest. As a ruck/forward seems a bit limited too me and maybe he will best as a key back. Corey Maynard - hard at it, works hard and is tough. Certainly worth persevering with. I don't think he will let anyone down in the intent stakes and with the competitiveness, it's just whether he has the skill level and the hands in close to be able to make it at the level above. Overall, I though Wagner and White looked a class above there team-mates and Weideman the most promising. Those three and Cox and Blair (can't believe I typed that) for Collingwood seemed to be the only genuine AFL standard players on the ground going purely off that game.

Kent looked/moved like a player with back issues/soreness.

Hes dome some good things - Lewis-Smith's goal at the end of the first was a direct result of a terrific groundball/hard ball get from Weideman. A second quarter goal came after a neat pickup and pinpoint left foot pass that set play up. He has a touch of class for a big man just needs the core aspects of his play to come together.

6. Jones 5. Garlett 4. Hibberd 3 Oliver 2 Melksham 1 Lewis

6. Clayton Oliver 5. Michael Hibberd 4. Jayden Hunt 3. Jack Watts 2. Neville Jetta 1. Billy Stretch.

To balance out your points you do need to look also at the impact of adding a player such as Minson to the list. If Gawn and Spencer both don't get injured the player languishes at VFL level and potentially stymies the development of King and Filipovic. I really think this is a case of extreme bad luck - including King getting injured. Also think that while it is a bad situation there are plenty of options - Tom McDonald as a running ruckman and other ideas.

Find it interesting how young and raw/inexperienced some of the players drafted were, quite a few I think from the womens equivalent of the under 18 champtionships - definitely drafted from the point of view that the competition is here for the long term and interesting to see how the clubs approached starting teams from scratch through a draft. WJ I think Mithen more chance of being related to Anthony Mithen unfortunately.

What was your reaction when we drafted Max Gawn.

Morrish Medal has no bearing on the draft - in 24 years, 15 Morrish Medallists have gone undafted (National and Rookie).

I don't have a problem per se with zone defense - what I find strange is signing Dunn to a long-term deal (not meaning to knock the player) when he is not suited to being a zone defender and they arent using him and losing Howe who is essentially everything you want in a zone defender

6. Max Gawn 5. Nathan Jones 4. Jesse Hogan 3. Neville Jetta 2. Jack Watts 1. Jayden Hunt

6. Neville Jetta - not sure he necessarily was our best player but this voting system makes it hard for him and his first half was the second best back pocket half I can remember from Demon since Alan Johnson in the 1988 elimination final. 5. Jack Viney 4. Dom Tyson 3. Bernie Vince 2. Jack Watts 1. Billy Stretch