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As enlightening as that is.... and as much as I am also upset with the results surely you can admit 2 things 1/ We've been unable to field a 'best side' or not be forced to make changes 2/ The side inherited by Neeld is still at least 2/3rds of the list he inherited and we lack experience and leadership I'll say neeld is not good enough if you can accept those 2 pretty vital facts to team performance

I'll repeat myself Name me a top 4 or even 8 side that has let players dictate the direction of the club Thye don't - they move those players on That's my personal worry Don't worry about Neeld - I have no doubt he'll be sacked soon and it may be for the right reasons but it will continue our 60 years of weakness and still going strong... The same board that wanted club culture change hasn't got the balls to see it through

I'll let you take over RM - you make more sense then I and I need to eat

Thats why separation of ownership and management is important and even more important is having good people in charge Now that is a debate I am not getting in to I do have faith in Peter Jackson - and if he says neeld has to go tomorrow I'll support it - after all he sacked Sheedy But you need logic and good leaders - i think the MFC is lacking a lot of both

Yep I agree RM We will continue our we are a weak club cycle 3 x rebuild - I know a few blokes and it will confirm what the AFL thinks of us

Name me a top 4 or even 8 side that has let players dictate the direction of the club Thye don't - they move those players on That's my personal worry Don't worry about Neeld - worry about us being weak and continuing to be a weak club - it starts at the very top and I reckon sacking Neeld now will continue that culture 60 years of weakness still going strong

You can do all those things with a dead coach walking Freo are a perfect example - my personaly worry is our poor handing of employees coming back to bite us in the ass... And letting the playing group dictate the direction of the club is a fundamental flaw which I believe is why we are such a poor club. I am not saying keeping neeld is the right move but we continually fold to pressure and keep paying for it.

Mick M said the same thing.... Neeld had to be flexible but was it all too late?

Bloody oath - This is a real concern from the outside Put in an easy going coach - players are poor ( 4 year record under bailey wasn't great - the club's image and performance was equally mediocre) hard nosed coach and the players still cry - The club needs to back a direction and stick to it no matter the cost or we will be mediocre forever - can't keep sacking coaches

Yep I am caught in two minds about this You'd think and hope it would show on field but unless you're in the know how do you tell?? I don't think effort can be questioned personally Just don't like cheap pot shots - they offer nothing

Good points rjay One thing is for sure you don't have to be quick to make an impact on the game - as you point out Selwood, Bartel and Mitchell/Sewell are perfect examples My only counter to what you've said is that we are in-experienced and will be easily exploited - it's not even a good counter argument our blokes turn it over too easily. We need leaders to stand up - weekly we struggle for anyone to win their position.....I beieve neeld will be sacked but I don't expect anything to change Dark days at Deeland - it makes me wonder if some confidence in the direction would help

Thanks for sharing jnrmac According to the players and coaches (not Neeld's opinon) spirit is high - are they lying to us?

Are they even on AFL lists??? Do we have that luxury with blokes like Clark, Dawes and Hogan on the list and a poor midfield Don't think that is a good argument goodoil

I don't agree with everything you've said goodoil but you have made some good and damming points. I disagree with your thoughts on Evans as he is young and does make mistakes but given time could be a handy player (but everyone will have different opinions on players) As for the coaches performance off-field I think your points are pretty spot on and are pretty damming - There are arguments against but at the end of the day what's the point as Neeld has made his own bed - he has to lie in it... On field results have been super poor no one can argues that - the only question in my mind about Neeld's tenure is do we allow him to coach out the rest of the year? I don't see any point bringing in a caretaker now - all the supporters/players leaving scare mongering are rubbish IMO 2013 is a write off they're going to drop off anyway.... It's about how are we going to get a better performance in the 2nd half of the year - with or without Neeld, who will get the most out of the players??? By being professional and standing by employees - letting Neeld coach out the year is this too impractical or is it as simple as sack him now? Have we as a club not learned that we can't sell out former employees??

Good points angrydee And I agree with what you've said..... some aspects of our game are very poor and it makes you wonder what they do teach down there at Gosch's paddock. But to fire back and for the argument - do you take in to account the experience of the team and the ability to handle the pressure of a well drilled side? As frustrating as it is players need time and experience. One of the best bits of play I saw all game came from a bloke playing his 3rd game in the 3rd qtr where Kent took a good grab wheeled around straight away and kicked it to Dawes who goaled.... Does that come down to the players ability or is that coaching?

Said so much better then I ever could Generaion Dee

Spot on machine11 - i think you've hit the nail on the head... can't disagree with your analysis at all I was pretty disappointed with the final qtr through after an ok fight back in the 3rd... But I think you're 100% right - the bigger bodied more experienced hawks outclassed us today.... I feel sorry for Neeld as you can see what he is trying to achievebut will most likely be sacked tomorrow All the made media has been hyped up and 95 points by a top 4 side isn't good but it normally it wouldn't be the end of the world

I think exactly the same thing machine11 - I saw progress but I also saw the game-plan fall down due to lack of execution and in-experience.... How do we address this? Do we keep playing games to the kids? I have to agree I don't think there is an easy way out of this.... Educating the young blokes is the way to go Thanks for shearing and not slinging cheap shots

I shouldn't acknowledge this post but it seems to be fine if you have the popular opinon Sounds like you should be playing for the club angrydee - happy to talk [censored] not happy to cop it back Happy to take cheap shots at players and the club... toughen up princess

Thanks rjay Agree we fell over there for most of the game and they set up a lot of their attacks and scored too easily on us... In the 2nd and 4th what you've said was really evident, the hawks punished us once we lost the ball I do wonder how much of that is due to us not being able to half or win 1 v 1 contests? Having to put players behind the ball as we can't win contests and are unable to maintain possession? Can we put this down to team inexperience as there are a lot of young blokes out there or is it a fundamental flaw of Neelds game plan?

True RM.... it's too easy to get frustrated at the moment Was hoping for some decent feedback but I guess my expectations were set too high.... I bet these blokes dancing on Neelds grave didn't even turn up to the game today

Haha true RM not sure why I am bothering I just thought the team offered a bit today - poor skills and inexperience really cost us today - Hawks are top 4 if not top 2 and muppets on here just want to dance on graves Just shows how [censored] weak this club is

Offer some value at least Comprehend?? Go cry in the time to go neeld thread muppet

How many times do I need to repeat myself to you dumbasses The result was a reflection on our poor execution and in-experience yet you muppets dont' even want to discuss or can't identify the difference in a debate about team performance to If MN should stay Where do i say neeld should stay? isn't this thread about the team's ability? Wake up morons there are enough I want neeld gone threads

Iim actually surprised you know the difference between your and you're thanks for adding to the conversation