Dappa Dan

Yeah and then he sort of sooks when he's had bad delivery. TMac, him and Gawn rotating through the forward line is a coach's dream.

Yeah. I've been having this discussion all week it seems. Have to agree to disagree of course, but if "working out" a forward, he still is in the top 5 in the Coleman the whole season, then I'll take that. And a lot of this "he's been worked out" stuff has come since he hurt his foot. Before that he was smashing everyone. And anyway, do you think they won't work out Weed and TMac? Both aren't nearly as versatile as Jesse. As you say, no need to trade him, but I'd love to see him wander far and wide. He's so good at all facets of the game, even when the ball hits the deck and he needs to evade/deliver to a team mate under pressure. That skill is so hard to find, especially at demons where we still want for skills. Get him where he can get 25+ touches regularly and watch him HURT teams. If he turned into a rich man's Tom Lynch (Adelaide version) I'd be pumped.

Sorry to butt in to your discussion... but where has this come from? He was taking pack marks game in game out his first few seasons. This year he's been playing up the ground, and hasn't been able to jump or lead at a ball since the bye. He's been cleaning up 3 players in packs and bringing the ball to ground since he debuted 4 years ago. Have people completely forgotten? Also, yes, I'd like to see him wander to the part of the ground he's needed in the most. If you take a close look he has a serious claim to being our best field kick.

Really good post. The key word there is RATIONAL. It's not just Jesse. They should be considering player values from the top of the list down. Every player has a price, as they say. What I object to is fairweather supporters who call for his trade after one bad performance, as though he's not a huge part of making finals this year. He's shown virtually no sign of wanting to go home. The only question mark was when he signed his last contract, where he said he considered it but knew he couldn't leave the club in the state it's in. We really are a destination club. So yes, always field offers. What if you get a Godfather offer? What if it was something ridiculous like Lynch and a first rounder? They'd be mad not to have some serious meetings about that. Overall though, if you DO take a rational approach, Hogan is probably second only to Lynch in the pecking order of the young KP forwards going round in the game right now. You don't SEEK to trade a guy like that. If he comes to you and says I need to go home, then fair enough... but that's different. That's damage control. Your second point I quoted above... I'd just point out... If Lever is worth back-to-back first rounders, then Hogan is CERTAINLY worth the same. He's a forward, and he's a better player. Lever was pick 10 last year and pick 11 (or later depending on how well we do) this year. If Freo offered 6/7ish pick... they'd better throw in a LOT more.

I believe the club I follow did, yes. Interesting. You'd have been up to your neck in success when Rodgers won the superbowl a few years back. Was that not a much more impactful thing? I'd never seen an MFC OR NFL flag until 6 months ago. I don't really have that much experience with what I'm supposed to do, it must be said. One of the BEST things about being in playoffs/finals... is you get to enjoy sport for weeks longer than you would usually. Just yesterday's game means I can read the Age and the Hun for the entire two week break before finals, and really see MFC get some press. That sort of thing is a gift. Was the same for Eagles... They got the bye, then some luck against Falcons... and it just meant you got a whole month more than you would have gotten otherwise. I still don't know what to do with myself. lol

I have to say, even with all the MFC joy of the last 24 hours... Is it just me or is this pre-season really dragging?

Wouldn't it be nice. He could kick 80 and win a coleman and you'd see "sell high" threads starting about him. Interestingly, even in the wake of some joy for Melbourne and their biggest fan in the media, it seems Kingy has been on the D'land boards... https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/20/should-melbourne-entertain-the-thought-of-trading-jesse-hogan/

Yeah it was ridiculous. During the AFL off season I have "The Fanatic" playing which is Philly's SEN equivalent. It was hours of joy every day last year. There were seasoned old 30 year radio veterans in floods of tears for weeks. Was amazing.

Four Yorkshiremen I believe is the one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

That is true. And an interesting perspective. Nah. Makes it all the sweeter for me. I reckon Hawks fans would have a slight yawn on with how they're doing right now. They'rs so used to success. For us, I love to think of how hard it's been, because it's in the past now. Having said that, I'll forget about it pretty quick once finals actually start.

Oh mate. We've been copping it for a long time as demons supporters. One of the reasons Philly's fans are known as psychos is cos they were at their wits end with the abuse. I dunno if you can say dominant unless you're talking about just Divisions. The superbowl vs Division thing was an obsession in all Philly sports and has been since I discovered the sport. You have to remember they've been beating up on the Cowboys for years, and every time they did, the 'boys would remind you they've won 5 and Philly have won none. And their were in recent memory. So dominance is a matter of perspective I think.

Yeah but the joke was that the Eagles made a lot of playoffs and did squat, never won a flag in the superbowl era. Demons also played more finals than anyone in the 2000s except for Eagles I believe. So we had a relevant but mediocre period, much like the Eagles. You're right though. Winning your Division is fun in a different way than winning superbowls. I wish the AFL would bring it in, but the footy media would be unbearable about it.

It's crazy. Two of the least successful teams going round, my two. Now look.

Reports are that he didn't go down to the rooms, just went to bench and stayed watching. I think it's the same thing that's been keeping him out of action in recent weeks just flaring up again, but not needing treatment. I'm hearing conflicting things about Wentz. They're saying he'll play, but that he wont get touches in preseason. On one hand I'm like, yeah, sure... He has to play this year for us to be any chance at all, so any game he plays he won't have had much time. Week 1 is as good as any. On the other hand I don't want him to struggle. One big positive was Sudfeld. They're high on him at Eagles. It's clear Foles will have a job, either in the next 2 months, or at seasons end, and Sudfeld will get a lot of playing time any time Carson gets hurt.

If there was one AFC fan in here and we had to pick a team for him, Jags would be it. Lots of people picking them as AFC champions. We're spoilt here in Dland.

Ha... Are you?

Jeeezus.... When you hear Jesse got hurt, after Eagles last season, you have a whisper of a hope. If Foles can do it? Weed can do it surely... (and win a Norm Smith)? Then reality hits and I find myself praying we can beat the Eagles like we did last year. Tmac, with no Jesse, and then somehow, impossibly, they give us SOME joy. I still have hope. After all, noone had less reason for hope than Eagles fans after Wentz (Hogan) got hurt. And if they can do it in the richest league in the world, they can do it in the AFL. (Or at least, make finals). But never mind the red and the blue. Let's enjoy some of that strange... We are on for one of the more exciting NFL seasons in demonland history. When was the last time we had storied franchises in the NFC making history? Rodgers making his glorious return, Wentz, Dak, Goff, Garroppolo, Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Cousins, Eli (I know you love him Macca), Wilson, Winston, Smith, Trubiski, Bradford/Rosen... oh and there's that matter of Brees.... That's it. I mean. That's 16 SERIOUS QBs. The closest thing I can find to a QB storyline that isn't interesting is the Cards Bradford/Rosen situation. Which sounds suspiciously close to the Eagles situation 24 months ago,.. This is gonna be a good year boys.

You couldn't write a better script mate! @Gorg with his Rams. You with your Pack. Me with my Champs. We may never enjoy this kind of relevance ever again. Your matchups are exactly right though. I can't wait to watch my Eagles, obviously, but a very close second are the Rams... I'm a Gurley lover... And Aaron and his Pack will never disappoint. Next is the Texans for me. Big Ben, AB and their shrinking wasteland, the GOAT and Belly... It's gonna be a theatrical year. The PERFECT antidote to the worst of all disappointing demons years. I'm pumped.

Oh man. Imagine a Browns/Boys match. Not gonna happen cos they're opposite conferences... Probably for the best for Dez. If he's ever gonna return to his best, I daresay it's not gonna be in the NFC.

Of course he will. Will he do anything? Now THAT'S the question. Welcome back!

Sav, Graham, Bennett... It's old news. Come on @Gorgoroth @Macca get around it!!!

Well. Not really. A handful of nutty posters aren't worth tangling with. Almost noone on demonland is looking to learn things, everyone just wants to post their own drivel and disappear. Like suggesting trading Hogan and playing Weed. lol

Eagles got smahed, but noone really cares. Found a backup for the backup in Sudfeld. I feel like he'll be pressed into service. Actually looks like he has the goods to be a good backup, if not a superstar starter. First team D did their thing then went off. Not much to see here really... Probably the biggest thing we saw was the enormous 81 yard punt by an ex-demon, Cam Johnston, who looks like he'll be the punter for the season.

We're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

My sentiments exactly. I don't care for Maher, or the new SEN... But there's no resisting what you heard this arvo. Brutal, the lot of it, and Maher has my respect for confronting what seemed pretty difficult for him. You can't help but tip your hat.