Dappa Dan

Garbage. No sign anywhere that Jesse is on the move. It's not time. You and about 5 other crackpots are calling for his trade. TMac hasn't made anyone expendable. We're the top attack in the league. We're not trading our best forward. We don't need to trade Jesse to afford other players. You're making more stuff up. Tyson isn't worth even a second rounder. You've lost your mind. Of course the time is now. Hence why we keep quality AA forwards at MFC instead of trading them to other clubs and playing NQRs. See you in 8 years.

Ok so you're disregarding posters, but still tagging them. Jesse spent his whole career jumping at the ball beautifully, then with his bad ankle now he can't. He's as agile as any KP forward going round right now. Has been compared with Nick Riewoldt this year by many impartial observers. But don't let that affect your decision. OK. "Weed will be better for us deep." Good, we'll just bookmark that for the next 8 years. This Weed/Hogan comparison will come back to bite you, but as we're talking about crystal balling, we can cover this when it's all come and gone. I'll go with you that we need midfield pace and skill. But trading Hogan out is most certainly not the answer. When you have a star you hang onto them. Especially when they're young. Free agents and drafts can net us good mids over the period these gun bookends play. Not only that but many can come in and have immediate impact. Or at least be up and running within 3 seasons. Let's come back to this in 8 years and see how each of Hogan and Weed go.

Hogan is 13th this year for marks (total). With a large proportion of those during a time when he hasn't been able to leave the turf cos he's jumping/landing on one leg. Of the players ahead of him, only Hawkins is a full time forward. The rest are waxing defenders. What EXACTLY more can he do to prove he can "catch" the ball? Weed will play deep? Will he? How do you know? You're putting your faith in a player who's done absolutely nothing so far. He's shown in VFL he can take a mark on the lead and is tall. That's about it. Pedo has shown more than him. Hogan at the same age showed a truckload more, even close to goal. What you're effectively saying is Hogan is better than Weed at close to goal stuff, and has more strings to his bow further out, and you STILL want to move one in and trade the other out for picks. Class? Not one supporter or expert would say he lacks ANY class. He's actually one of our best field kicks, once you take the blinkers off. His highball issues weren't there earlier this year. Was taking pack marks and cleaning up groups of players on the way to everyone's mid-year AA side. Since his ankle, like I've said, he's only been able to cover distance, and not been able to jump. If you hate him, hate him. Be my guest. But your analysis is way off. He's a star of the competition... Only Lynch is more feared in his age group.

After watching WC game I thought we would beat them based on what we do well. After that disgrace, now I wonder if we can, even with their big outs.

What? That's delusional. We need 2/3 KP forwards and Hogan and TMac are both superb. You trade one, we're down to one. The idea they're competing for one position on the ground is daft. Both of them run up the wings and play far and wide as well as deep. You can easily play both in the same forward line. We have the #1 attack in the league and they're our two biggest goalkickers?!! Weed is a one-trick pony that hasn't exhibited anything to suggest he's good at his one trick. Not only that, but Hogan and TMac do what he does better than him. But no no... he'll be "a beaut" despite the fact he's been in the system 3 years now and has shown nothing like what Jesse showed in his first two. And you want to play him, and trade Jesse. "Hoges it's time"... well jeez. I guess it's that simple? The kid is a star, playing like a star on one leg. One of our most important and critical to our future structure. 90% of the football world knows this, and isn't stupid enough to suggest he's trade fodder. Get a grip.

Yup. With a more settled 22 and in a better overall game I think he'd make way, but man there were some disgracefully poor demons today. Garlett and Hunt head of that class. Pedo ANB in the gun. But JKH won't be dropped.

You can put in your whipping boys, or go for the ones who actually ARE likely outs. Garlett, Hunt are definites. Hunt was atrocious, and looked pretty sore. Garlett was back to his absolute worst. Melksham and Hibberd the obvious ins. Gee we missed Melksham.

Are people for real about Hogan? All Australian contention until 6 weeks ago when he did his ankle. Is playing on one leg now and still kicked bags of 4 twice. It's not his fault we don't have good enough Fs in the wings to take his spot when he's lame. I know everyone's upset and everything, and rightly so.... but is this what Demonland has come to? Whining about trading Hogan in his best season yet? Fair dinkim the stupidity in this place is a joke sometimes.

You know what I think I just might. Saw the 2 and got it mixed up with the rounds. My mistake. Still wouldn't take two first rounders. The list is built for now. Hogan is in the top echelon of KP forwards in the comp, proved it before he copped his ankle (and in some games since). You know as well as the club does that the list is built for now. Invest 2 first rounders into the King twins, you can just as easily end up with two Wiedemans... And even if one worked out ok (which would be pure dumb luck to hit on 2 195cm players in one year), you'd need 5 years to get them even close.

You can have a sook if you want. I'm going to keep expecting us to have a dip. Playing any finals at all is crucial for this list, as they're built for 2019-2021. Whereas missing could be extremely harmful to their psyches, and to certain players' futures at the club.

Ah. Gotcha.

Jezus calm down. Was one of the game's leading ballwinners and was killing them until his ankle went bad. Came back on and played on one leg, as he has been doing for 6 weeks now. There's about 17 other MFC players who deserve abuse more than him. And two second rounders? You're having a laugh.

Roos vs Crows + Saints... Port vs Pies and Dons... If Roos lose one of those, and Port lose both, we won't need to win either of ours.

One of the worst experiences we've had. This is rd 23 last year like.

I've got him in every fantasy comp I'm in. It's been jiggered for about a month and a half actually. Hasn't moved anything like he did in the first half of the season. Still is smart and strong enough. But playing on one leg.

They've actually let us have a chance here and we stuffed up 10 opportunities in a row.

HOgan's ankle is definitely jiggered,

You have no hope of beating a skilled side as a demons player. Not enough skill if we don't beat them into submission.

Our worst 3-6 players are really costing us. Guys like Hunt, Pedo, Garlett have cost us so much. Imagine if we went into next season and had a Blues-like injury list? We'd be bottom 4.

Nah. More disappointed, sure. About the overall direction of the club. But we never really had a good list before. We do now, and we still embarrass ourselves. We have the best ruckman, the best young mid, the highest scoring team in the comp by about 150 points and still can't win an important game. We're paying all these players, and can only really afford one more (Gaff maybe), and what difference will that make? Turn us from 9th to top 4? No way. I've never been this angry because we're supposed to be better now.

WC against this awful Defence of ours will slaughter us. GWS, don't even get me started. This is it folks. Another off season of embarrassment. Oh well. There's always the cricket.

Here comes the pea heart calls for an entire off season again. We are the hardest club in the AFL to follow. I've never been this angry at MFC before.

These umpires are dscraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.

Oh my god. Hanneberry throws it and we get pinged for tripping, which they haven't done for us all game. Just as we come back every time the umpires screw us.

If Garlett never played another game for the demons I don't think we'd miss him.