Dappa Dan

That is true. And an interesting perspective. Nah. Makes it all the sweeter for me. I reckon Hawks fans would have a slight yawn on with how they're doing right now. They'rs so used to success. For us, I love to think of how hard it's been, because it's in the past now. Having said that, I'll forget about it pretty quick once finals actually start.

Oh mate. We've been copping it for a long time as demons supporters. One of the reasons Philly's fans are known as psychos is cos they were at their wits end with the abuse. I dunno if you can say dominant unless you're talking about just Divisions. The superbowl vs Division thing was an obsession in all Philly sports and has been since I discovered the sport. You have to remember they've been beating up on the Cowboys for years, and every time they did, the 'boys would remind you they've won 5 and Philly have won none. And their were in recent memory. So dominance is a matter of perspective I think.

Yeah but the joke was that the Eagles made a lot of playoffs and did squat, never won a flag in the superbowl era. Demons also played more finals than anyone in the 2000s except for Eagles I believe. So we had a relevant but mediocre period, much like the Eagles. You're right though. Winning your Division is fun in a different way than winning superbowls. I wish the AFL would bring it in, but the footy media would be unbearable about it.

It's crazy. Two of the least successful teams going round, my two. Now look.

Reports are that he didn't go down to the rooms, just went to bench and stayed watching. I think it's the same thing that's been keeping him out of action in recent weeks just flaring up again, but not needing treatment. I'm hearing conflicting things about Wentz. They're saying he'll play, but that he wont get touches in preseason. On one hand I'm like, yeah, sure... He has to play this year for us to be any chance at all, so any game he plays he won't have had much time. Week 1 is as good as any. On the other hand I don't want him to struggle. One big positive was Sudfeld. They're high on him at Eagles. It's clear Foles will have a job, either in the next 2 months, or at seasons end, and Sudfeld will get a lot of playing time any time Carson gets hurt.

If there was one AFC fan in here and we had to pick a team for him, Jags would be it. Lots of people picking them as AFC champions. We're spoilt here in Dland.

Ha... Are you?

Jeeezus.... When you hear Jesse got hurt, after Eagles last season, you have a whisper of a hope. If Foles can do it? Weed can do it surely... (and win a Norm Smith)? Then reality hits and I find myself praying we can beat the Eagles like we did last year. Tmac, with no Jesse, and then somehow, impossibly, they give us SOME joy. I still have hope. After all, noone had less reason for hope than Eagles fans after Wentz (Hogan) got hurt. And if they can do it in the richest league in the world, they can do it in the AFL. (Or at least, make finals). But never mind the red and the blue. Let's enjoy some of that strange... We are on for one of the more exciting NFL seasons in demonland history. When was the last time we had storied franchises in the NFC making history? Rodgers making his glorious return, Wentz, Dak, Goff, Garroppolo, Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Cousins, Eli (I know you love him Macca), Wilson, Winston, Smith, Trubiski, Bradford/Rosen... oh and there's that matter of Brees.... That's it. I mean. That's 16 SERIOUS QBs. The closest thing I can find to a QB storyline that isn't interesting is the Cards Bradford/Rosen situation. Which sounds suspiciously close to the Eagles situation 24 months ago,.. This is gonna be a good year boys.

You couldn't write a better script mate! @Gorg with his Rams. You with your Pack. Me with my Champs. We may never enjoy this kind of relevance ever again. Your matchups are exactly right though. I can't wait to watch my Eagles, obviously, but a very close second are the Rams... I'm a Gurley lover... And Aaron and his Pack will never disappoint. Next is the Texans for me. Big Ben, AB and their shrinking wasteland, the GOAT and Belly... It's gonna be a theatrical year. The PERFECT antidote to the worst of all disappointing demons years. I'm pumped.

Oh man. Imagine a Browns/Boys match. Not gonna happen cos they're opposite conferences... Probably for the best for Dez. If he's ever gonna return to his best, I daresay it's not gonna be in the NFC.

Of course he will. Will he do anything? Now THAT'S the question. Welcome back!

Sav, Graham, Bennett... It's old news. Come on @Gorgoroth @Macca get around it!!!

Well. Not really. A handful of nutty posters aren't worth tangling with. Almost noone on demonland is looking to learn things, everyone just wants to post their own drivel and disappear. Like suggesting trading Hogan and playing Weed. lol

Eagles got smahed, but noone really cares. Found a backup for the backup in Sudfeld. I feel like he'll be pressed into service. Actually looks like he has the goods to be a good backup, if not a superstar starter. First team D did their thing then went off. Not much to see here really... Probably the biggest thing we saw was the enormous 81 yard punt by an ex-demon, Cam Johnston, who looks like he'll be the punter for the season.

We're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

My sentiments exactly. I don't care for Maher, or the new SEN... But there's no resisting what you heard this arvo. Brutal, the lot of it, and Maher has my respect for confronting what seemed pretty difficult for him. You can't help but tip your hat.

Gee whiz did anyone listen to SEN just now, replaying the Lyle-Radar interview from a few days ago? Powerful stuff. Well done Andy.

I dunno... I really don't think there's that much between him and Wentz. As I've said before, he's even better than Wentz at certain things... And Wentz will be top 2 in this you'd think.

I thought it was good credit. He is a gun.

Wow. Goff into the 30s in NFL top 100 @Gorgoroth

Ah I see. I think we're clashing on definitions here. To me Jack Watts is a 200+ game player, but a draft bust. According to the yanks though, you have to be an absolute disaster of a footballer to be termed that, so I can see the confusion there. Yeah, again, all about opinions. I'm not comparing those players directly to Billings. Some aren't even similar to him in any way, like AVB for example. My only point is the list management one. If we decided half those names weren't up to it at AFL level, then yeah, Billings becomes a target. But it's clear Goody loves a lot of those names and wants them in his side. For what it's worth I want to see all of them at MFC next year, including Garlett and AVB. No you can't guarantee. Unless you're working for MFC? In which case, for gods sake get off this board. lol What you can do is attempt a prediction. I don't agree with it though, which I reckon is all we're doing here. If the Saints get rid of him and it's not for a first rounder, then I'll come back and see I was right. 70 games for a pick 3, then traded out for a second rounder is a bust in my book. You're welcome to assure me. I'm going to assure you though, that we won't take him if we still have our current crop of small forwards. The whole thing is a bit of a yawn for me really. I mean... After yesterday it's clear we have a need for speed and skill through the midfield. Shiel-type/Gaff-type players. Mostly though we need a graders. We were shown up badly by some big name mids, and Billinsg doesn't solve that. Just more of the same.

What the hell are you talking about. Wingard's played multiple super seasons, dual all-australian under 25. Stupid comparison. He's a star out of form (til the weekend) and being played out of position. How does he compare? Billings kicked 5 goals in a game and everyone got on board last year, but he wasn't the second coming of Gary Ablett jr was he. He's massively over-rated and is currently a big draft bust. He's played 70 games and you can count on one hand the ones he affected the result like the star he was drafted to be. Lynch was a first rounder, 3 years into his career he hadn't done much and went for a second rounder. And he was a KP forward... a rarer commodity than a 183cm mid. You can rate him as high as you want, but you're delusional if you think he's worth a first rounder. First rounders only go to players who've put together whole seasons. And yes, I did watch Billings last year. If that was supposed to be his breakout year, then I call it a draft bust. Bont was taken a pick after, and has left Billings in his wake. The Braysh comparison is at least closer to the mark. The injury side of things is where they differ. I'm not suggesting Tyson as a straight swap. I do reckon the Saints would love a player like him though, and he's viewed by many (not me) as surplus. Tyson plus overs would make sense. As I said in previous post, we're "swimming" in small forwards. Jeffy can't even get a game. He kicked 40+ last year. Hannan, ANB, Melksham, Harmes, Tracca, Spargo, Kent, AVB, Balic, Fritsch, Bugg.... all are serious players who've played serious minutes. Many are champing at the bit to get a game. Billings probably offers slightly more than a few of those names, but giving up a first rounder for a player in an area we're already strong is just dumb list management. In other words, Billings' value is what he gets in a trade. Right now there isn't a club who'd give up a first rounder for him.

lol @ poll results. He's been a great get. Did everything he could on the day. Gee some people are hard to please.

Define "selling him short?" I know he was setting the AFL world on fire last year. I'm not saying we shouldn't be interested. It's only a question of price. He's not worth an early-mid second rounder. With a player who's draft value is almost entirely potential-based, you shouldn't give up good draft capital. Refer to Lynch (I know, I know... he's a KP forward and they take longer)...he was a first rounder who was traded for a late second rounder... That's the key. If you take a highly drafted player and hope that his potential works out at another club, then that's ok, provided you don't give up much to get him. Besides all that, it's more about how much room you have in your 22. Who wants to see him languishing at Casey when our fleet of small forwards are dominating at AFL level? It's not that he's not good enough. But a small forward? We're swimming in them at the moment.

Little bit of Benken around him. If you traded a second rounder for him, you'd likely be eyeing the second rounder's career as a comparison, and not be happy with what you see. The real question is... we'll have plenty of players wanting to play for us. So do we need him over another small forward who's keen on the red and blue? Is there even ROOM in our 22 for a small forward? MFC's small forward brigade would, as of now, be one of the hardest roles to get a game in league wide. When you consider our starting Fs, there always seems to be about 14 of them. So good luck to anyone trying to squeeze those guys out. I'm all for the trading of a 3rd rounder, or a past-it spud for a former top 4 pick. As long as the club realises that's all they're doing. Trading for pretty much a draft bust.