beelzebub

age...dont forget hes younger than most FA of the past edit..others got there quicker..lol

Dank comes out with... They knew what they were taking. I'll just take that as He knew what he was giving them also !!

\not a fan of the mixed metaphor ? can't win them all

if we , just for a moment , put names to the side and just go with intent then I can see many here also think its either a)desirable b) probable that picks will be traded. If we do get the bonus prize ( compo ) and if it is band 1 I still maintain theres a greater benefit this year to re-invent those picks as players able to impact immediately and accompanied by some still handy picks to garner some development youth. We are different from many teams. We arent looking to top up and continue along a well established path we're doing some emergency re-engineering on the fly ....the foundations need fixing and the roof is leaking and the floor's a bit wonky etc All things equal next year we'll still have a decent 1st and 2nd round pick. Right now we need rtr players thats my take

I have a strange recollection that the Court has ordered/suggested mediation as the next step along the rocky road. Nothing will come of that I'm sure I might be wrong...( altogether) lol

but why....thats good

I cant help but think that come seasons end Tappy will hear a voice: "Use the doors Luke !! "

there is NO real formula there are simply deliberations

Kinda funny though . The Windy Hill mob cry foul play by al land sundry (except themselves of course , they are just misunderstood ) and seek redress and vindication in court. Fast forward and we head to court and the same Windy Hill mob now scream foul about what will be brought to ( and up in ) court and now seek to have as much as possibly ( thats potentially damning ) made inadmissible Hird make out to be a victim of some conspiracy . I wonder if this is the same bloke who sought info as early as the start of this century on things like peptides , getting 'advice' of f Carter in the early early norties, looking into AOD and attended info briefings. Its the oldest of conjurers tricks for the felon to redress as a victim and hope to be lost amongst the crowd. Going to make a marvelous film one day

Im not thinking they missed it just failed to keep focused on it. They were happy to try to lear all a merry dance down 9604 lane they obviously forgot that WADA/ASADA were concentrating elsewhere. Seems to me those Windy folk are trying to build a house of mirrors where as most all can see it as clear glass

It makes for entertaining spectating watching the Slytherins squirm. I think the change of tempo and tenet from ASADA has caught the naughty lot a little wrong footed. So much dancing did Essendon do around the legality or prohibition of AOD 9604 that it took their eyes off the ball and they themselves got blindsided when it all became about Thymosin Beta 4 ( TB4 ) The new spin is that the club only used the 'good' Thymosin and not the "GOOD STUFF" Thymosin. The former being Thymomodulin and the latter TB4. The current view of Essendon , i.e todays bs is that the club only used Thymomodulin in this pharmaceutical freak show and that this was the drug supposedly referred to on the waivers vicariously as 'Thymosin" Two things i have difficulty in this regard. Firstly how does this marry with the long held rant from Essendon that they dont know what was really taken ? So they do or they don't " Secondly it would be worth revisiting this article The Science of Stepehen Dank for in it are such gems as NM: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.) SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system. NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu? SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system. NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them? SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)] NM: There's a lot, isn't there? SD: No there's not! So, you know, you've got to extrapolate from the science. NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4? SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published]. NM: ASADA has just released on its website that Thymosin Beta 4 is prohibited in all routes and out of competition. SD: Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing. NM: Thymosin Beta 4, they must have just banned that. SD: I think they've only just put that in to back up their case. The problem for Dank, for Hird and the 34 sacrificial lambs is that the Horse Drug TB 4 was banned and Dank is on record for two things ( at l;east ) 1) admitting that TB4 was the version of Thymosin used 2) that the players ( and by association the club et al ) knew what they were taking SLAM DUNK !!!!! Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html#ixzz370x3HzZZ

To be honest I dont spend much time reading other clubs fan sites even though the Blitz would be fun currently, though they often shut the fun parts down lol The article referred to http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32184-the-wilson-file-the-arrogance-at-the-heart-of-the-innuendo/page-67#entry954611 as well as the heads up provided by AofB http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32184-the-wilson-file-the-arrogance-at-the-heart-of-the-innuendo/?p=954679 got me reading the BF thread. It of itself provides a fascinating insight as to how many view this whole saga. . It seems to me there are simply those that are Hird apologists. They tow the line , indeed cast and recast the line in foppish fawning of their beloved ( He can do no wrong, and if he did wrong it wasnt his fault etc etc ). There are the other Bomber folk who seem to blindly follow/swallow what the Fops spin. There seem few Essendon folk that are realistic and understand bad bad bad things happened . There maybe more than I suggest but they seem to be inordinately quiet in the main. There are then the rest of us(other clubs, footy fans in general ) who seem incredulous at the stance taken by Essendon ( the club ) as well as much of its hird and annoyed that despite often reasoned argument that the apologists cant cant see shlt for clay, but then they dont want to.. I suppose for many of them Bomber folk it must be like finding out your favourite uncle just got done for something very bad and you just cant bring yourself to accept it because of your deep seated feelings for him. I suspect though deep down they must know I dont read BF as a rule but the thread is quite illuminating . The Essendon propaganda machine is in danger of blowing up its working that hard.

iM sure if nothing is known shortly Paul will have a lil mano a mano im happy to leave it up to them, as if I could do or impose my ideas as such.lol it really doenst matter

I dont think it really matters that much. The end of season isnt too far away. The club will know when it needs to . We're frustrated , but does it matter. Im sure Chip pretty well has his mind made up one way or the other. what is...is. What will be ...will be the club will survive either wayt

324 son of 426 !!!

He came across as another Windy Apologist to be honest

Afaik they arent in the public domain....theyre very shhh secret squirel !!!

Ralph: "What is absolutely fundamental to closure is the public’s ability to weigh the evidence on each side and make up their own mind on the only remaining question that still really matters. Did Essendon players take performance-enhancing drugs?" Ralph would have this adjudged by the public in the open court of opinion. Whilst we the public are interested its not for us to actually don the wig in this instance. There is a far more appropriate arena and thats where it is at. The Windy Hill lackeys can't abide this as they hold no sway in a court. Its entirely predictable that theyre would be a double standard applied by the biased, agenda driven puppets ( muppets ) . They call for transparency and yet those they seek to do bidding for have gone to extraordinary lengths to obfuscate what really transpired. I find it odd if not bizarre that Ralph would even ask if they ( the players ) took performance enhancing drugs as it seems to this reader that that isnt even in doubt and that the basis of contention by many are the knowledge of taking them or who's actually responsible. Again an attempt to divert from the true course of discovery. I dont think Middleton will be conned. We aren't

i'm not

cone of silence.....cone of silence !!!

more "Comment" Dank could have answered the one burning question "If there was one question Stephen Dank could have answered during his radio interview with friend and former Adelaide Crows coach Graham Cornes on Tuesday night, it was this. Dank was asked whether he could detail what peptides had been given to the Essendon players during the club's 2011-12 supplements program. He was asked specifically about Thymosin beta 4, the banned drug the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority alleges was given to the 34 former and current players. Dank's response: "Obviously, I can't because of the impending court action." Well, that's not right. According to lawyers consulted by Fairfax Media on Wednesday, if Dank knew categorically what had been administered, and those drugs were not prohibited, then there was nothing which could "prevent or inhibit" him clearing up the question those interested in this saga want to know. Instead, Dank provided a general response, declaring all drugs had been WADA approved, leaving listeners to wonder yet again where things really sat in this football (and political) mess. This appears to be the lie of the land*. Dank has told the Australian Crime Commission he had not administered anything illegal, declaring last year "they said they didn't think that I'd done anything wrong". The players are of the belief they were given nothing illegal but, if they had, it was only because they had been duped." *how appropriate if Freudian !! lol But it does indeed highlight the nonsense of this. If he could categorically ( and honestly ) swear that it wasnt Beta then why wouldnt you. You can still do so publicly. if its the truth. That hole's getting deeper Dank !!

to be fair to us they are Both very TRYING !!!!

we didnt get band 1 for Sylvia

dont doubt you. I figure Frawley will go for 2.6m/4 or more

ffs Jnr....lol