wisedog

The only major discrepancy worth noting is the hitouts. Despite that, Schache seemed to be suggested as a ruck/forward option far more regularly than Weideman. As I wrote in my initial post, it would have been interesting to see him in the ruck/forward role after Jackson. This would have obviously been a significant downgrade on ruck talent but I think it may have been beneficial to Weideman to have been forced into the contest. I think that’s the only grounds for him being considered. I agree there’s no point him being considered as a KPF alone. But with Tomlinson, KFW, and Schache off the list I think there is a small case to be made for Weideman. Whether Weideman would even want to be on a rookie contract is another issue.

I’m not suggesting we should, and I think it’s virtually no chance of happening. I’m only saying based on Gawn’s previous comments, the only role he could plausibly fill would be as a ruck/fwd. The Club clearly doesn’t see Fullerton as being able to play this role, Tom Campbell is a ‘break glass’ option, Verrel is still too raw, and most of us would like to see JVR played solely as a key forward. On those grounds, if he was a rookie listed player, the only risk of him returning would be impeding the development of younger players at Casey, but I also think he could be a serviceable key back if necessary.

I remember Gawn saying Weideman’s best position was as a ruck/fwd. It did kind of seem like a bit of a backhanded compliment - as though he would never be good enough as a key forward alone. Still, Gawn must have been at least somewhat impressed by his ruck potential. In hindsight, we really wouldn’t have been any worse off had we instead given Weideman the opportunity to play that role instead of recruiting Grundy, but he probably wouldn’t have offered much more than Van Rooyen has and certainly less forward. I wouldn’t be against his recruitment, but on the condition he didn’t impede Jefferson’s development in the forward line.

This is all pure speculation but given how hard he is driving for this outcome, despite his almost impossible situation, I imagine the Petracca family are 100% in support of what he is doing. I feel all it would take would be one person he respected or admired to say, "Are you sure you're doing the right thing, Christian?" and he would relent. But any moral argument to honour his contract would be countered by something along the lines of, "They almost killed you, Christian!" I'm sure the Club has reached out to the family, but if the Petraccas are still too aggrieved, then perhaps someone outside the Club like Garry Lyon could be convinced to play a peacemaker role. (Again, pure speculation - I'm not trying to blame the family. Don't yell at me, admins.)

There was a free kick paid in the final quarter of Carlton and Port Adelaide where a Carlton defender leapt up to spoil and collided with the Port player at the 50 metre arc. Unlike Maynard, when that the defender realised he would collide with the Port player, he then actually puts out his hands to push off him. He was still penalised which seemed like the wrong decision because there didn't appear to be any head high contact. I know we all need to move on from this but one of this things that angered me so much about the Collingwood tribunal defence was the discussion around 'reaction times' and it being somehow impossible for Maynard to have taken any protective measures to reduce the possibility of injury - they even had some kind of neurologist to support the claim. Anyone who has played any kind of fast-moving sport knows that it was complete nonsense. Anyway, I haven't found the clip anywhere but if you can be bothered it's 1:39.20 mark here. https://www.afl.com.au/video/1180655/match-replay-carlton-v-port-adelaide?videoId=1180655&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1722040200001

That's very fair. Goodwin is not an autocrat and certainly appears open to advice and counsel from other parties. So yes, we should absolutely look at the support around him.

The mid-season break has come at the best possible time. It at least gives us an opportunity to arrest whatever rot has set in here. We will then hopefully work back into some kind of form against a lowly opponent. We are truly at the crossroads here and I look forward to seeing who steps up to respond. The concern for me is that this faltering gameplan demonstrates that Goodwin is simply a poor strategist. He is not a dynamic thinker and doesn't appear able to adapt to changing trends or recognise our vulnerabilities - he seems to prefer a 'set and forget' model of success. We've seen large, clumsy, broad strokes to arrest our downfall; such as the recruitment of Grundy, or this latest gameplan, but then then there is the recruitment of middling, ageing performers whose presence give us no indication of how the list will be revitalised or how we will be playing differently. They appear to have been recruited simply as depth. Goodwin deserves enormous credit and gratitude for the list, culture, and strategy which led to 2021. But at this point in time, I have grave doubts over his ability to resurrect the 'era'. We'll see.

A bit deflated. Feels like there are few options to improve the team - almost as if we're 3 or 4 players short. Look forward to seeing who we can add in the mid season draft. I was hugely optimistic about Petty forward last season. But, unfortunately, it just hasn't worked so far. I can't help but feel he was rushed into the team before he was ready and has lost some confidence - this is also evident in his kicking for goal: 2 goals, 8 behinds! It may have been lost in the discussion over his lack of goals, but he actually had 13 hitouts last week and 5 tackles. The most Van Rooyen has had this year is 7. Petty also looked far more tenacious in the centre, and I do sense he is desperate to contribute. I would be happy to keep Petty forward and pinch hit for Gawn and allow Van Rooyen to remain forward permanently. It's possible that if Petty feels he just needs to pop up and kick a few goals here and there, rather than being the 'main man', he may play a bit more naturally. Tomlinson plays to cover Lever. INS: Tomlinson, Langdon, Van Rooyen OUT: Lever, Billings, Brown

I am disappointed we lost, but I'm also relieved at the way we played out the game. On multiple occasions we toiled and toiled for a goal, and Carlton responded almost immediately - to keep coming, against a very good side, in poor conditions was really significant. If Carlton ran out to a 50+ point win, the media narrative would have been relentless. But we were able to flip the script and probably also do a bit of damage to Carlton. Also, Petracca is probably the most damaging forward on our list (despite his accuracy issues). I remember Garry Lyon saying last year he was the best mark. If only we had two of him.

Misguided endeavour with Grundy and bad luck with injuries to Brown, McDonald, and Smith. I wonder if we’ve done enough to search the state leagues? Someone to do what Podsiadly did for Geelong in their era of success. I think we look the most balanced and potent with Petty and JVR forward. Seems to bring Chandler more into the game too. Incredibly unfortunate to lose Petty and Melksham late last year. Smith was commendable in the finals and so it’s a great shame that’s he’s probably played his last game for us.

But it was also obvious that Gawn and Jackson were never a ruck/forward powerhouse. I think they kicked only 6 goals collectively in the latter half of 2022. I just don’t understand why we thought Grundy could be an improvement on that or why we were hellbent on replicating that dynamic. As we all know, we were actually crying out for a competent key forward. But they don’t grow on trees, and who knows, if we had got one, we may not have had the opportunity to see what Petty was capable of.

And if 400 milliseconds is enough to create plausible deniability, then how many other suspensions fall over?

What is this evidence from the biomechanist? The game is played in milliseconds. Players turn opponents in tackles, dodge opponents when their head is down. They’ve even learnt to drop their shoulders when anticipating contact. I’m sure lots of elbows have been raised within 400 milliseconds as well. But no, the players are seemingly not conscious of their decision making?

Probably the last comment I make because I’ve spent too long lurking in this thread expending emotional energy. I just don’t understand why THIS is the flashpoint that emboldened so many past players to speak out… as if the soul of the game is at stake. Unlike other decisions and rule changes that have forced players to adapt their games - the decision to suspend Maynard will have virtually no affect on how the game should be played. To me, it is so clearly an act of thuggery, that reading the weight of opinions to the contrary has been sickening. It all reeks of a boys club mentality between the 2000s era past players in the media and obsequious journos. So far the only past player I’ve heard in support of a suspension is Leigh Matthews. Although his own career was at times marred by accusation of thuggery he’s old enough and strong enough to not be affected by the likes of Kornes and Lloydo, Barrett and their Justice for Bruzz crusade.

I wasn’t sharing it, I was quoting a poster, but I don’t understand your point. I went back and watched it after your reply, and Kozzie is approaching on his exact line? That is to say, he had much the same opportunity to inflict damage on Hoskin-Elliot as Maynard did on Brayshaw. Either way, it’s far more helpful than those comparisons posted by journalists and past players attempting to downplay the significance of Maynard’s hit.