Tricky

I hear he's good in the wet

He was good in our two landslide wins.

A good thing too cause I think we had a really dodgy vindaloo the night before we left.

And yet were, on avg, 2 yrs younger, and 40 games less experienced than St Kilda. They ARE the facts

This is the same bloke who wrote about Morton "languishing" in the reserves last week... Quality stuff.

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Ok I'm wrong then, there will be no improvement or development to come out of our young group this year. Season over.

No personal experience; I'm not sure about it from the varying reports... Mick Malthouse made some interesting comments: Fab or Fad According to the LT website the following clubs use their service: Geelong Football Club Western Bulldogs Melbourne Football Club Sydney Swans Adelaide Crows Hawthorn Football Club Richmond Football Club Essendon Football Club I think Ray McLean has several books if you are interested HT!

When did we become a team with substance? Additional stats in the context of today's game... Average Attributes St Kilda Attribute Melbourne 186.7cm Height 186.4cm 85.9kg Weight 85.3kg 25yr 7mth Age 23yr 8mth 104.2 Games 61.1 Total Players By Games St Kilda Games Melbourne 5 Less than 50 11 7 50 to 99 6 3 100 to 149 4 7 150 or more 1 Clearly it does not explain the lack of leadership and form from players like Davey, but to ignore them completely is irrational.

Rename this thread - "Unrealistic expectations over". Phew, that would be a relief.

+1 what you said about what he said plus the bits you added.

sooo ditto. wtf

6 - Stef Martin 5 - Jordan Gysberts 4 - Jared Rivers 3 - Jack Watts 2 - Clint Bartram 1 - Colin Sylvia

Hurts me to say it, he shouldn't be out there on current form.

That would be him! Ben & Phil were inseparable.

I believe Mike was an acquaintance of Phil McCrevis (they go way back)

I think you'll find that this kind of concept exists at all the clubs. The question (as HT & dc have correctly identified) is: how can the message be most successfully ingrained within the group to create the resolute "culture" that is required.

Listed as 50 Teams... And here - MFC Jumper Numbers 2011

That's right Artie. AFLPA push to axe rookie list

Not at all Daisy, right up my alley - keep 'em coming

Juvenile but funny.

Ahhh the old convenience store conspiracy

it's 126 for me too HT. But yeah i have changed my defaults...

Wheatley Or the great RB!

Playing it smart all round. Just a pity that damn knee is holding him back. It's great value