Its Time for Another

There's always talk about "culture" but hardly ever any attempt to define it. Some years ago Jude Bolton was generous enough to come down and speak to a Junior team I was coaching. We asked him to explain the famous Swans "Bloods Culture". He said when Roosy arrived he said to Stewy Maxfield the culture needs to be owned by the players. Maxfield created the Bloods Culture which in summary is:- Don't ever let your mates down. Every time you walk through the door of the Club you give 100% to every training session and every game. Anything less is failing the culture. You could see from then on you knew you were going to get 100% effort every time. Can you say you have the confidence to expect that every time MFC plays. The fact messages are coming out of the Club saying midfield egos have to be parked, says a lot about what the Club thinks about the culture. Maxy has been communicating a clear line about the players taking responsibility. Lets hope the players hold each other accountable to bring 100% every time. I'll believe it when I see Clary and Gus finally becoming defensive. I'll believe it when I see Langdon looking up and delivering passes to leading forwards instead of just bombing away like he did again v Dogs. I'll believe it when I see players gut running off the ball on defensive transition. Are we supporters the problem? Do we not demand enough accountability from the footy dept and players. Are we different in that compared to the Cats, Hawks, Swans, TIgers? I don't know but I wonder. Go Dees.

Interesting we've done Oscar out and Majak in. I guess Majak has more versatility with the specific injuries he may need to fill in for. Glad to see O Mac get another chance. Hopefully it's a win/win especially if he plays against us.

OK last roll of the dice. To coin a phrase What's with the negative vibes Moriarty. The area I suggested for the building is already an open air car park. So no loss of public amenity if it's retained under the building. As you point out the M & OP decide about use and accessibility of the land. It's up to them if they switch the fields between soccer, rugby and AFL. I'm not sure how much of a say the different sports would get especially if they still have their fields there. If they all fit in better then as they are already sports fields there is nothing for the community to complain about. They might have to remove and replant about 4 trees. Doubt that would stop it. Anyway we'll know in due course.

Talk about taking comments out of context and twisting meaning. I did mention Docklands size if not MCG size. If the rugby and soccer grounds are switched to Goschs an MCG sized oval could fit in that area. The most likely package of land I see for a building is over the car park between AAMI and the Goschs fields. The car park could be retained and a building put over it. Not sure if that's out of the question. I talked about Bartlett and Pert's hands being tied in the context of not making an announcement till the Govt etc do. Wouldn't read too much into that. None of these issues you have incorrectly raised answer the question of why you think supporters will be underwhelmed if Goschs ends up being the site.

Why would we be underwhelmed if they manage to get all the authorities to agree to giving us the land to build our facilities around Goschs and expand it to MCG or Docklands size. That would be a massive win. If this does end up being the result I would say Pert and Bartlett's hands are tied behind their backs in being able to make any announcement as it is Govt land and multiple authorities will be contributing to it. I'd say the lesson has well and truly been learnt from the premature announcement by the Club of Yarra Park.

Respectively argued Lord Nev. Appreciate that. I may be editorializing but he certainly announced it and all hell let loose. However you want to categorise it after that is up to you. As I said earlier. My definition of sudden is dropping $1.5mill in revenue and not having an alternative in place before you do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I agree with the sentiment of getting out of pokeys but not how it was executed. I haven't written Goody off at this point but I would have taken Dew or especially Ratten in a heart beat but Swans wouldn't release a contracted assistant to be an assistant somewhere else. It had to be as a coach. There may have been other reasons but that was a deal breaker anyway. For sure Ratten was never going to be appointed as an apprentice to Roos and I was really hoping we could get him so my overview is that would have been a much better alternative than the succession plan. But as we have it I have hope it will still work but it hasn't been a great performance so far. Call it what you like but when people go to the press it is generally to force an outcome when they aren't achieving it internally. He made it clear to the press he was unhappy at being left out of the process to appoint his successor. It was also well known he wanted that person to be Mahoney and he would mentor him. I don't agree I'm reframing things from Jackson's time. Just being realistic from what I've seen and read

What is it you say Bartlett has done wrong. Are you suggesting the footy team performance is his fault. I think to the extent the Admin have got involved in FD reviews a lot has been done mostly to the group that was there when PJ left. I think it's looking pretty good now. Personally I choose to believe that the devastating injuries in 2019 and the interruptions last year to a group that mostly hadn't played for over a year had a lot to do with it. It would be looking entirely different if the team had continued the trajectory we all thought it would after 2018. Are you suggesting it's his fault the facilities are taking so long like many seem to be. I don't buy that. For all the reasons discussed above. Genuinely interested to know what sticking his nose in it Bartlett has done.

Yep. He announced it and killed any chance it had. Not that it apparently did. It would have been wonderful if it had. Not sure what your point is. Sudden. They immediately exited Leighoak at the end of his last year. Use numbers however you like. 10% lost revenue equated to a $1.5mill revenue hole for a Club that was barely treading above water. I'd call that sudden. You call stopping the pokeys cold without having the alternative revenue avenues already set up a plan. Thats not a plan mate. A plan is putting the alternative revenue streams in place before you lose the revenue. Having several unrealised ideas is not what I call planning. I think you'll find Jackson, rightly took the sole credit for recruiting Roos and agreeing to the compromise of the succession plan. A great idea if it worked a terrible one if it didn't. I'm still not one to right Goody off till we see what happens this year but at this point you wouldn't call it a raging success. There might be reasons outside Goodys control so fingers crossed. The evidence about Jackson's wishes around his Mahoney succession were well documented at the time. He went public making it clear he was very unhappy at being excluded from the CEO appointment process and he was very unhappy about Mahoney not getting the gig. I'm not going to spend time looking it up but it's out there. Perhaps start with Wilson. I mostly agree with your last comment about what he achieved while he was here, however, it's the way he did some of those things and their impact going forward that is his legacy. By the way I want to make it clear I'm not a PJ hater. I'm extremely grateful he took the gig when he did and believe he may well have literally saved the place. But casting aspersions about the people here now on the basis of what he left for them to deal with is a bit rich.

He's certainly got that. Like spending $475,000 on a feasability study for a concept that was never going to be approved. Then publicly announcing it like it was a done deal without even consulting the Govt or MCC who manage Yarra Park. Thus ensuring politically it would never happen. Or making a sudden, totally unthought through and unplanned for exit out of pokies without having any plan on how to cover the instant $1.5mill loss to revenue. Lovely gift to the next administration. Or setting up a flawed succession plan for the coaching. Or trying to force the Club to take Mahoney as his successor so he could continue a gig as his mentor, even though he had absolutely no commercial experience and at this point not a great record as Footy Head, Despite that legacy he was what the Club needed at the time and I take my hat off to him while he was here but it's not a great legacy to waxing so lyrically about.

Pretty certain soft cap is the football department. Originally brought in to even up the competition because big clubs were spending way more than small clubs with extra development, coaches, IT and stats support etc

He must be feeling like a kid let out in a candy store. The money a big club like them have for marketing/digital compared to a small club like us will be massive. Having said that ideas are the key not resources.

TBH I was shocked both because he was so candid and because it was a very negative view about the prospect of getting members from Casey which I thought was the ultimate point. I grew up visiting Berwick through the '60's onwards. My Uncle had a farm there that by the 2000's was surrounded by houses. The rate of growth in that area has been phenomenal. Moving out there is quite similar in many ways to what they are trying to do with GWS in Sydney. Put a team in a massive population area and hope to convert it to supporters and members. Ten years in it's a very very slow grind that may possibly never happen. That would certainly change the fundamental fabric of the Club. It would obviously kill off the connection with the MCC and it's members.

The other thing Schwab said to me at that B & F was that he didn't believe people would go to the MCG to see games. He said people want to stay home on a Saturday afternoon and do the lawns not do a long commute to see a game of footy. At the time I wondered if it was a comment indicating he was against the whole Casey deal. But it could also be that the arrangement wasn't ever meant to be about memberships. Although I can't see that makes any sense. It has given us a base at this point and a second training facility for AFLW and VFLW teams and the AFL seconds.

I spoke to Cameron Schwabb at the B & F a year in to the Casey deal. We'd spent $1.5mill on the alliance at that time and had a sum total of 1500 members. Half of them were probably Casey Councillors and Casey Scorpions and their families. It is a really good question to see what it is now.

Rubbish. 57 years. Meh!!!! That's just a flea bite. We've hardly warmed up.

To borrow from Martin Luther King. "I had a Dream." I was talking to a mate the other night and mentioned that someone asked about building something over the train tracks. That's been talked about for more than 30 years Probably more. We started thinking. Imagine if they built over Brunton Ave (which they've already partly done) across to the Tennis Centre and towards the City. Get the State Govt engaged by building a massive car park to service the MCG and get cars off Yarra Park forever for MCG games. It would be in walking distance to the City if people stay off public transport post Covid. It would service the Tennis and AAMI. A great addition for every stake holder. Build a state of the art sports facility in that space that MFC need but which the Aus Open could use. Have the MCC affiliated with it and contribute to it so there could be access to the gym and other facilities for MCC members with a new premium membership. It could have squash courts, basketball courts, which could cross over for indoors training for MFC. etc etc. And on top a Social Club for MFC that could be taken over by the tennis during the Aus Open etc etc. How good would that be. We have no idea what they're working on. Wouldn't that be worth the wait. No naysayers please. Leave me to my fantasy.

As for the criticism Bartlett is getting for not looking the part well enough and not doing enough so sack him. I'd much rather have a low profile "President" who's set a long term strategic plan and focusing on it no matter how hard, than a few of the high profile alternatives like Eddie "Proud" or Jeffrey "Tassie Hawks" or Kochie etc etc. I like the Board stability over the past couple of crap years. I like there hasn't been a traditional MFC knee jerk Coach sacking through a very difficult time. I believe on the back of Goodwin's coaching in 2018 there's justification to think he and the team might turn it around this season. If not then he's obviously gone. And frankly, probably so am I for a while. But it's not round 1 yet and like every year of my definition of insanity MFC supporting career I am still eternally optimistic until the final siren ends round 1.

Sheish!!!! Who'd want to be a voluntary MFC Board member answering to you lot. A social club and footy facilities within the MCG heartland would be unbelievable for the future of the Club compared to anywhere else. There's clearly some chance of it happening. I personally am happy to wait for however long it takes to either make it happen or know everything humanly possible was done before they cave in to some far more inferior site. And any site away from the G will be vastly inferior. It's a uniquely difficult thing to pull off. No existing land available. Olympic Park organisation, local Council, State Govt, Fed Govt, AFL, MCC to pool together to make it happen. Perty has dealt with everyone of these organisations successfully to get the Olympic Park facilities built for Pies. There couldn't be anyone better to try to make it happen. Have a bit of patience. Yeh, I'm as frustrated as anyone about how long it's taking but lets not all play the blame game and cartwheel the Club into a crisis by attacking the Board. If the team's crap this year and not a competitive finalist it's a different story as far as the football dept is concerned but as far as facilities I'm taking a deep breath.

Oh man this is priceless. Pre season training thread arguments involving Saty and he's not even on here.

Oh come on Sue. Not the dreaded 4-6. I didn't realise it was career over.

But at that level at best there would be a few semi professional players and a lot of amateur players right. So time for pre season training would be a lot less than full time AFL and a lot less strength and conditioning expertise. That's why I'm wondering what they know about his fitness that tells them he will be able to play early. I'm not making a statement that he isn't fit as I have no idea but just interested in the statement that they are planning on him playing early. I assume if necessary.

Wonder how much they know about his fitness at this point to think he'd be ready to go early, as at best he would have some pre season training with Nth Heidelberg. Have a look at this highlights reel. Has played forward. KIcked 6 goals in a game and towelled up Alir Alir last year playing forward.

I haven't lost faith in Weid yet. However, I will say that in 2019 Petty was a more effective forward than him even though Weid was carrying injuries. Petty has had a couple of preseasons since then. He might end up being better than Weid for the time being. It looked like he and Tommo were going to be fighting over the one place in the backline so maybe that problem has been solved for the time being.

Hey binman I've been meaning to post a big thank you to you for starting this thread. Gets my vote as the most interesting, positive and informative thread I've read on DL. At various stages have planned to contribute but there's been so much to read to catch up on I've never had a chance. Still haven't had the time to do that but I will. It's well worth it. There's some great contributors on here.

Agree with the above DrD. Can anyone on DL put their hand up and say they know from the inside what happens with the leadership. I'm sure it's very different to what we see on the outside. Couple of quick observations. Paul Roos was quoted on a Fox Footy promo saying "Leadership is players telling other players what to do." Typically succinct from Roos. I saw this first hand at a Swans intra club a few years ago when I listened to the senior players telling the junior players where to stand to within a few centimetres. They were telling them when to leave their man, when to stay etc.That's the Swans culture. Benny Mathews is now back at the Swans this year coaching. One of the things he said he has really noticed straight away is how much input the senior players have. TBH I only see a couple of MFC players doing this. May is at the top of that list. Lever is born to it. I think we've been waiting for a critical number of players to reach the level of experience to do it. We should be there now but I don't see a lot of it going on yet. Hopefully we will this year. As for leadership style. Daisy Pearce was asked a few years ago whether as the Captain of the Womens team she discussed leadership with Jonesy. She made a very frank comment that she said to him that she had observed that he was a very angry leader. She said he was taken aback by that comment and went away and reflected on it. Viney was miked during a game when he was Captain. I was very surprised at how basic his onfield comments were. But I know I'd follow him over the trenches and he's the only player I've seen in the past decade or so who has literally lifted and carried the team forward in a couple of games. Gawny also does some incredibly inspiring intercept work particularly in defence where he continually puts his body on the line. So to go back to the beginning lets face it we don't know what goes on with the leadership. Hopefully we have players developing all over the ground who will lead by telling other players the right thing to do at critical moments. I love Gawny's on and off field performance as the figure head for the club. I love Viney's onfield leadership by example. All I know is they were both voted in. Everyone involved in football at MFC has a very significant year coming up. Go Dees!