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Hahaha bloody hell Andy!! You’re a click bait genius.

I found it strange at the time it was a one year deal. Burgess is one of the biggest signings we need to complete ASAP.

I just hope life doesn't. Hang in there Harley, start the journey from the bottom up and find some enjoyment/happiness/contentment.

Doing some great work this week AoB! Geeeess Stef looks a real win for Brissy.

Mitch Clarke....

True gents too true, when I read those back it does raise concerns but I don’t think Jack is the answer to that, he was captain and demoted. As I said earlier in the thread it’s an interesting debate.

You were correct right off the bat ?.

Surely we’re stronger than that now. Max, May, Melk, Hibbs, VdB are all leaders that should be able to get this talent to finals.

Thanks for the chat DG. For mine culture (good or bad) is built by the people currently at the club/work environment... it might be built by others but the ones still in it are charged with delivering on it. I work at a place that was built ad a real change maker in this industry, they actively sort people of a “culture fit”. Early doors it was incredible... it’s been 5 years, 3 CEOs later and it’s a vastly different place (for better or worse) but people still bang on about the culture of the place like it was day 1. It’s not but it’s about the evolution to keep striving for success, some people, no matter how good do fall by the wayside.

He still is, I used to smoke until covid so I'd duck out for a dart 3 or 4 times a day in the heart of Melbs. On 3 separate occasions I saw the "great man" getting out of a low slung sports car in skin tight pants, high heeled sequin boots and dyed black hair. He could hardly walk he is so old, it was hilarious.

Perception is an interesting thing. I think it was a good move at the time and has the potential to be rewarding if he is traded. Dees needed a "ready made" back up for Max, as others have said injuries/not being fit enough hasn't helped him. Pruess choice is the strange one.

I hope he can get through whatever it is for his, his wife and children/families sake.

It’s not even the second tier comps it’s the first tier. Plenty of examples of players going off the rails in the AFL. The young bloke at Carlton 10-15 years ago who turned up to training on the flippers. Liam J. The amount of money spent of coaches and camps and sports science, how about pushing more of that to welfare. The AFL/Suns people from that time need to have some deep self reflection on how they allowed that generation of talent to [censored] there careers away on the Coast. I hope Campbell Brown/Gary Ablett/Karmichael Hunt are embarrassed every time the Suns are brought up.

Crouch household right now: Ding dong..... Who is it... "ASADA...."

I'm very proud of the efforts of the club in all of this. Well done to the Footy Dept in backing itself in, it didn't work out but so be it. From the above it looks like that was solely on Harley, not the work put in by the club. Best of luck for the future Harley, I hope you find a positive and happy future for yourself and your family.

Spurs were one of the most successful sides ever, this year was the first time they've missed finals in forever, I think it was the longest streak of finals ever in the NBA. Raps won the championship, they went all in, they achieved what they wanted to and this season was a very good regular season but they should have gone further (Celts are playing the Conf finals though). Trying to boil it all down I'm just trying to look at the value of that player. Is his value to us, at a high wage, better than what his value can be to use without him? ie free agent pick plus his saved cap hit plus potential for other player/s that can make us better? Will it allow us to retain the other guys we need to (Tracc, Oli etc)? That is all I'm trying to look at not the "bleeds for the jumper", "runs through brick walls/he's a finals type player" or leadership he brings (if it was that good we would be playing finals this year...). All ifs and buts but is a great discussion topic in the current climate and Melbs current situation.

When the coach talks about the club needing to grow up and be more ruthless after the Freo loss, for mine the fans need to follow suit. I bang on about this a bit but globally we as a sport are miles behind. I was born in 77, it was footy/cricket and loyalty to the club/badge over the heart. Times have very much changed. Kawahi Leonard was traded to Toronto In the NBA with 1 year left on his contract. He and his team won the championship, he left after that one season. NHL captains are traded/leave in free agency frequently. St Louis Blues captain who lead them to a Stanley Cup last seasons is threatening to leave as a UFA this season. The great Messi wants to leave Barca. Is Jack Viney going to learn to kick on both feet? Is he going to learn how to dish off a slick handball before being caught in a tackle and often for holding the ball? Can he improve on his consistency over a season? Is his future upside higher than Brayshaw, Oli or Tracc? For me it’s no to all of the above. Just because I believe that doesn’t mean I don't have emotional ties to Jack and his dad as Dees legends. Can his value as an UFA give us a greater chance to win a flag than his value/cost to us as a player? I believe yes. We need cap space and outside skill and run, his leaving give us the option to save money/trade for/UFA some of what we need imho.

Perfect for a straight swap then! Approved.

I can’t believe Ben Brown plays footy let alone walks without shinbones?!

Or playing Harmes as a defender or Melky as a tagged... ?

An inner monologue whilst smiling at the crowd noise does pay off sometimes.

Sometimes it’s wise to bite ones tongue.

I was wondering who the first goose was going to be... Kudos to you. For me gone are the days of getting a few more told you so's on the way out.

Not looking globally, it is a massive trend with middle to lower tier soccer, NHL, MLB clubs where they look to get young/undervalued/developing players on the books. Develop them for a time period and then offload them at a profit, whether that is financial or draft picks/player trade value. Its a business model. I'm sure he was brought in as a back up, they now see he probably has more value as a trade and are exploring it. Good thinking by the club.