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I'm happy to see us trade Johnstone, Carroll and Miller. They all need to improve either attitude (first two) or playing ability (Miller). If Bailey doesn't see upside then then let's move them on. If he does think he can extract the necessary improvement then I'm happy to spin the wheel with them in 08. Whichever way it goes ...

If WC can get 20 in the Judd deal I'd be happy to take it for Johnstone. Win-win.

Bolton and Kirk have been the engine room of Sydney's stoppage machine. IMO the 2 most important Sydney players over the past 5 years. But they've both taken a hell of a beating doing it. Bolton is a bit of a Todd Viney - hard insider but ordinary kick. Why is he leaving, because he wants to come to Victoria or because the Swans reckon he is spent? If the first then TJ direct for Bolton I'd do if I couldn't get 2nd & 3rd rounder elsewhere. Miller plus pick for Bolton I'm not keen on, would prefer a similar age player for Miller or pick.

I think Chris Judd might want out of West Coast. You heard it first here!

Think we should change the song? "It's a grand old Judd It's a high flying Judd It's the Judd for me and for you It's the Judd of the team we love The Judd of the Red and the Blue ..." or maybe dispense with the superfluous and just go for: "Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd and Rebecca too ..."

FFS that's the second year in a row he's limped his way to the end of the year and turned up in the sprint. Jacques: "Did I hear someone say pick 22?"

lets see if anyone agrees with you ... Fan, Hannabal, Scoop of course ... got to fit Axis and Grazman in there. I rate Queen C too.

Hope "you know who" appears later in that same dream.

It would take some beating and even if not 4 + 10 in the draft would be great.

I don't agree. What's your full deal?

Because the difference between 21 and 5 is too great. Think about it, if we get 5 what do the Crows get for Hudson?

Crows: 10 + Hudson to Dogs for 5 Dogs: 10 to Demons for Robbo + 21 Dogs get Robbo + Hudson + 21 for 5

Errr - we on traded the pick we got for Farmer to Geelong for Bizzell ... Your exact point is?

Sure he could .. but he loves the club

Robbo's useful - he's a pack marking, goal kicking, sometime match-winning forward - that's why he's got trade value. I don't think you'll see too many articles where clubs are chasing players who are useless. But he's 29, has a bung knee and is not a team player. Yze and Bizzell illustrate the risks of giving players in this situation 3 years, we're absolutely right sticking with 2 years or trade him if we benefit.

That's the whole basis of your argument! Nihongo! - how about how the fact that both systems are massively skewed in favour of 8th over 9th? Surely that must have you in tears?

Why not use a platform like this? If it costs money I'm sure the loyal demonology crew would ante up. They're quite passionate.

I'd be happy to see Newton take #3

Even I prefer Whelan to Godfrey. Whelan + Bartram >> Bartram + Godfrey hard v brave reminds me of fast v quick a few years back. But I think I know what you mean - Green is a good example - brave but not hard.

I think Godfrey's hardness was pretty well demonstrated by his ability to get up after being punched or elbowed in the guts off the play and get up and run to the next contest. I saw that a number of times. I'm not 100% sure about Junior is always first to the contested ball - there's a reason he makes so many tackles. I think Jones gets over the ball.

That's exactly right, that list is wrong and the most you should have done was link to it in the first place, then at least people could make up their own mind about the value of a list that was "floating around". You're not "helping" anyone by posting incorrect information.

That's a guess not a fact. It's wrong for sure - Michael Newton is contracted for 2008 and that's just one example. Why post a list like that without any qualification? Like: "I think this is it" or "I read some guy on BigFooty who thinks this is it". The same thing happens with these lists like the draft order, some one regurgitates some crap and it it becomes a "fact". Notorious posters on Demonology have been perpetrating an incorrect out of contract list for a number of years now.

I know what you're saying BBP. Why is he always injured and especially at the critical time of the year? And the trend is getting worse rather than better. Unfortunately as you say his trade value has bottomed out and it's not worth doing. There are other players on the list that retain high trade value who may be in this situation in a year or two. We should learn from the Whelan experience.

And I thought he was just pointing at his direct opponent and asking someone to man him up ...

Thread is very useful if people actually have first hand info in draftable players. What's less useful is definitive statements about who will go where in the draft. Like Bob says - what if Carlton trade pick 1 to WC for Judd - is it certain that WC will take Kreuzer? Nobody knows for sure.