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Mahoney has a great trading record - I'm backing him!

Welcome to the club Jake! It's a good trade and the value is very similar to 10 + 27 which everyone seemed happy with. 10 + 12(?) + 66(?) for Lever + 35 + 53(?)

That looks about right - it's a good upgrade for the Crows on 10 + next years 2nd - 18 into our next years 2nd 10 + 12 (2018) + 29 (from Port) for Lever + 18 If we could get 52 back too then it would be similar to 10 + next years 2nd. I'd do those deals.

It'd be a 9 News exclusive if it was Collingwood

What a joke! And I confess I've fallen for it over the years. Draft quality does vary from year to year but future predictions are fraught. It's not even clear yet how strong the 2016 draft was let alone the 2018 draft. It's only now that there's some evidence for assessing the strength of the 2015 draft.

I feel like Alice in Wonderland. Try to follow the thread. I didn't compare Lever with Rance, I compared him with Hogan. The point is that Lever is a young star of the competition like Hogan, Petracca, Oliver. Lever is CHB in Best 22 Under 22 two years in a row - Hogan, Petracca and Oliver have also made that team once. When you are thinking about the trade value for Lever you need to think in terms of what you would want for Hogan, Petracca or Oliver in similar circumstances. Pick 10 and change is not going to cut it.

I'm sure Richmond wouldn't see it that way - they'd look for the same value in trade for each. Rance more if anything.

Carlton value him that high and he's in contract so they hold the aces.

Rance v J.Riewoldt?

Adelaide want Gibbs and Carlton played hard ball last year demanding 2 x 1st rounders. Something like this could play out, noting that unfortunately Carlton do not have a 2017 2nd: Adelaide: Out: 17 + Lever; In: 10 + Gibbs Carlton: Out: Gibbs + 2018 2nd; In: 17 + MFC 2018 1st MFC: Out: 10 + 2018 1st; In: Lever + Carlton 2018 2nd

We'll see. He's in the same category as Hogan - would you take that for him?

That's really Lever for pick 10 and 2 pick swaps that basically cancel each other out. It's going to take more than that.

Do you mean like Collingwood with Treloar and Hawthorn with O'Meara? I don't envy those deals.

Dodoro was fair with us in Melksham and Hibberd deals. And in the Carlisle deal with the Saints too, it was the Saints going too hard there.

I know. You've gone from 10 + 27 to 10 + 27 - 40. You'd win if that happened, but I feel confident that won't happen.

Trengove is UFA. No-one needs to trade to get him.

Yep, I feel confident that it would take more than 10 + 27 for Lever + 40 (assuming Kent = Balic). The closest we might get to your 10 + 27 is 10 + 2018 1st for Lever + 35. Depending on how our 2018 1st is valued (12, 13?) they're about equal in points, but I think Adelaide would prefer the latter.

I like your points measurement and am very happy to go with that. http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf I make 10 + 27 = 1395 + 703 = 2098. It only needs to be more than that and I win But it will get complicated if future picks and players get involved - we may need an impartial judge. Let's hope we have to decide - because we have Lever!

Hold the phone!

Yes, I bet you a donation to Demonland that it will take more than that to get it done.

if 10 + 27 = 14 + 16 and 14 + 16 = Lever then 10 + 27 = Lever

Yes but if 10 and 27 get us 14 and 16 which we pass on for Lever, then 10 and 27 should get Lever - there's a logic failure there. FWIW I think it will (and should) take more than 10 and 27 for Lever.

Agree with that!

It's not really my argument, it's my observation of FD action and deduction about FD thinking.

I don't think we want all 3 in the back-line together - when Frost became available for selection earlier in the year Oscar went out. Then TMac went into the ruck/fwd and Oscar and Frost were together back. Now Pedo has hit form, TMac has gone back and Frost is out. I don't see a balanced set up with all 3 in. Axis of Bob posted a comparison of developing tall backs earlier in the year which showed that Oscar is well advanced - many posters can only see what's right in front of their nose and have little ability to project potential development. I agree that TMac, OMac, Frost is a reasonable set-up and that's why I don't see KPB as a priority, but clearly the FD do and if so then with limited list size and resources we don't want to be over-invested in this area and so Frost is tradeable. It will be fascinating to see how the back-line structures if we get Lever - with TMac, OMac, Lever and Hibberd all fit back there?