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42 now at Carlton from AFL Trade Talk:

Sydney don't have a 3rd rounder - they have 13 and 31 (after Lynch compo). Might end up with this pick 42 for VDB - not ideal.

Getting in deeper. Brisbane's pick hand weakened further with this trade and they now have 5, 23, 54, 57 for Neale and Adams. Brisbane's future picks will have to be on the table - they'll be banking on improving next year too which is very reasonable.

Sounds nice but won't happen. Freo have already said a single 1st rounder is not enough for Neale and who can blame them when he has finished 1, 2, 1 in their BnF over the past 3 years. Then there's no way they will want to trade both top 10 picks this year - they will want to retain one for sure and that means doing some later pick deal for Lobb - and they only have 6 and 79 right now.

Buckle in for a long turbulent ride through the trade period. Marcus Adams nominating Brisbane complicates matters for us because it will impact the Neale trade and make Collingwood more keen on May. The Hogan and Neale deals are linked, however much we might want them to be separate. The KK deal will probably be linked to the May deal too. Lobb apparently nominating Freo only complicates things further. Gaff not going to Norf probably means they are less desperate to move Preuss on for salary cap relief. I expect we'll be stalemated on the Hogan, May, KK and Preuss deals until other clubs resolve their deals. The only things we might hear progress on are the ones we don't want to hear like VDB and Kent. Strap in for plenty of poster pre-trade hysteria.

That is NOT correct apparently. See @Lucifer's Hero post from earlier in this thread:

Posted earlier in this thread: I think the AFL gave Geelong permission last year. They just want to protect against basket cases and desperate regimes selling their future down the river. But if the club looks in good shape I think they'll allow it. Here's a possible link I found but it's behind the paywall https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-can-again-trade-its-firstround-draft-pick-in-2018/news-story/82989f88db7d2425be27dae06077fab7

His positive attitude was unsurpassed.

Showed improvement through the year and his last game against GWS was his best game. Unlucky to be dropped for finals. The FD clearly rate what he offers ahead of other depth - McCartney is a fan. He must be disciplined in his game plan and positioning, he sticks his tackles and is generally a neat kick now that he has is used to the pace of AFL vs VFL. Works very hard at training. I'm comfortable with him on the list. There is a small probability of break out worth considering.

Front loading existing contracts to Goldstein, Cunnington, Brown, Tarrant, Higgins, Waite. That's also probably part of the way they sell their mega offers to other players to their existing list. Look here's half your pay for the next 4 years so we can afford this. If they can't swing a Gaff replacement this year they'll front load Polec to the max next year. It only works for so long though.

Have we left yet?

I confess I didn't see this coming. Was sure he was gone when he didn't announce he was staying pre GF. Then not announcing he was leaving pre BnF made sense. But staying is a big surprise. Like others have said, big picture I prefer he went to North because it makes WC weaker and North not better than them and out of the market - sort of a leveller. Now North are in the market against us going forward. Still there is #lollNorf compensation.

Agree, the FD will have projected the salary cap forward and figured out we'll lose a gun like GWS have. They see we have a surplus of KPF and an opportunity to proactively trade now with a club who has currency and is a suitable destination for our player. We're staying ahead of the curve.

When you've been around here for a while you get to know who to listen to and who is connected. For example, in this thread alone ... @ProDee knows Paul Connors so you can take his input on this to the bank @Baghdad Bob knows Craig Cameron so you can take his references to the bank also Neither of them speak out of turn or break confidences.

Agree that it's a massive endorsement of Brisbane. That must encourage the AFL re GC's dire position. If they can get the admin and fundamentals right then Qld can be an attractive destination. It shows that getting the fundamentals right is key to turning around FCs, not priority picks. See MFC for example. GC is really the AFLs only major problem and this shows it can be sorted. Carlton are a temporary basket case which will eventually resolve.

Hates playing under Ross Lyon is one trite explanation but that's hard to reconcile with consecutive BnF finishes of 1st, 2nd, 1st. Btw, I do think that values him very highly in the trade market. Maybe he sees no imminent sucess at Freo and that's what he craves. But despite Brisbane's optimistic outlook and improvement curve they did finish bottom 4, below Freo. It's confusing to me.

It's very interesting that BnF Neale wants out to a bottom 4 club not in his home state. He doesn't appear to have been offered the mega deal say Gaff has been offered at North either although he appears equally qualifed. Not much appears to be made of this move in discussions or the media. I guess it's because it's WA to Qld and it's out of direct view in Victoria. It's a massiive move IMO.

Yes looks like they need to get to GC's picks 2 and 3 for Lukosius and Rankine. http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-30/indicative-draft-order-post-grand-final-edition Twomey has Rozee at 8 (and he may go earlier after a good draft camp) and Hately at 10. Port will have 10 and 11 after Lynch compo and Polec trade. Adelaide will have 8 and 16. It would be interesting if they both miss out on all 4 SA players. I suspect Port will try to trade up if they like Rozee and Hately.

The starting midfield rotation is Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw and Harmes. If they each play 75% gametime that's 100% of that role covered. The issue for Tyson is that he is at least 2nd in line for this preferred role after Jones. He needs at least 2 inside mid injuries to play that role. Not saying that can't happen.

There's a more appropriate place for Jones discussion probably in his upcoming main board review thread but suffice to say people have very short memories. Along with Clarrie he carried our inside midfield at the start of the year before Brayshaw blossomed, Viney's first stint and Harmes amazing development. The BnF results are testament to this. Sure he has been legitimately pushed out of the starting set to the wing which doesn't suit his game but he's too good not to be in the 22 and is 1st cab of the rank to fill any starting inside vacancy. People should show due respect.

Yes agreed I was thinking enticed rather than pushed.

Newman is mature age 25y8m. Debut last year 20 games mostly HB accumulator I think. Out of favour this year 11 games because I think he is a bit slow. Probably not what we're after. Maybe Hewett, Cunningham, Florent, Papley, Hayward? All likely to be a lot more valuable than AVB though. Truth is I don't know enough about them to discriminate.

Swans seem to have a long list af AFL ready young talent. If the deal goes ahead maybe we should be looking for a player swap given our list vacancies? Any desirable realistic (not Heeney or Mills) prospects?

It was a good quiz just slightly out of context which made it harder. Still someone got it so that's a plus.

May is only 6 months older than Gaff 1/92 vs 6/92.