Katrina Dee Fan

On 06/11/2023 at 04:43, 58er said:

So MCW you want us to change our guernsey colours because a few people are colour blind. If the world gif that some country flags  and other pageantry would all be altered. Traditional colours are gitbiur home games and if the odd person is ignorant they are the lesser. 

Do you  think Essendon would ever contemplate changing their original sash colours to grey if the were mistaken for ours? Never and we should be the same and uphold our Club. 
Main thing  is you have a dark (navy) blue and red flag and banner to worry about. The Club gets it right and our fans know it’s authentic. 

BTW I adore our clash colours and reckon they are great in as a second jumper. Please don’t ever get that putrid white clash one again. 

Who's MCW?

Plus with Essendon, clearly you forgot they did change to grey a few years back

https://www.afl.com.au/news/200529/maligned-essendon-clash-jumper-fades-to-grey

18 hours ago, Older demon said:

I spoke with Sinead at the local coffee shop recently she is our only 23. She is a fantastic person and a great asset to the club. She is the number 1,  number 23 in the club

I spoke with her at the sponsors lunch a couple of weeks ago, when I mentioned "You're losing your male 23 counterpart", she looked sad and said "I know, I'm going to miss James!"

4 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hard not to like the guy. Shame he's no longer a Dee. 

I tend to agree, I met him a couple of time, and he's just a lovely person.  I for one will miss him at Melbourne.  I hope he does well at Sydney

Just not against us!

2 hours ago, durango said:

I read the Herald Sun this morning and the MFC has nominated Kynan as a Father-Son recruit.

Oh, phew!

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

I am going to argue that ****house goal kicking cost us a PF.

 

That and the fact our team just fell asleep in the last 2 minutes of the game.  

16 hours ago, rpfc said:

Love having Tayla back! 

As a small aside - she is obviously an accomplished boxer, I always worry she is going to do a Barry Hall the way she is treated by defenders. I do that for all those with hand to hand combat skills… my kids educator at daycare does MMA… I am so nice to her.

I know it’s irrational but maybe stop hitting her in the back of the head every bloody time…

Tayla is not that kind of person, she's a beast on the footy ground as she is in the boxing ring, but she's got a hell of a lot of restraint.  She's certainly not in the Barry Hall category, put it that way.  If you ever get a chance to meet Tay, you'll see she's in reality a quiet, reserved person, and just loves people. 

13 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Jordan Ivey’s in this week! Yay! A little earlier than she expected but so happy for her ❤️💙

So excited, I love Jordi!  She's the most beautiful human :)

20 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I certainly know you make TikToks! You be TikTok-ing like a crazy person. Somebody farts and you make a TikTok about it. 😂

JK, Kat. It’s awesome that the Club invited you guys to the launch. The Ruby Demons deserve the love and support from all of us. 🌈 

Hehe, I don't miss much, do i!!! 

Most of you won't know that I produce the TikToks for the Demon Army.  Most of you also won't know I'm on the committee for the Ruby Demons.

Today I got to combine both those roles.  Ruby Dees were invited by MFC to represent Dees fans at the AFLW Pride Round launch at IKON.  All 10 Victorian clubs were represented, and I made a TikTok of the morning. Plus it also meant Katie, Nikki and I got to hang out with the always wonderful Blaithin Mackin, who is an absolute delight.  Hope you enjoy!

16 hours ago, binman said:

Just Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples related issues.

Their report on misogyny is still being worked on.

Epic report - current draft has 3,232 chapters. 

My understanding is that it was on race in general, given Heretia Lumumba is not indigenous, but did lodge a complaint about racism.

17 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Was Collingwood's "Do Better" report solely about indigenous issues or did it address other matters such as misogyny?

My post wasn't in reference to the "Do Better" report.  But to answer your question, it was solely on the allegations of racism (not just indigenous)

4 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

It’s appalling isn’t it. Almost everything CFC on that list is a serious crime, the club cleans up for them. There’s a patterns there of seriously disgusting attitudes and behaviour to women also. 

There's certainly suggestions they're key reasons why Chloe Molloy, Steph Chiocci, and Jamie Lambert left their AFLW program.  Their entire team went to the football department last year after DeGropey's Bali incident and basically stated that unless the club does something to address apparently misogyny in the club, they'll have a serious problem retaining several of their women players.  Those three walked.  I can't say I blame them.

22 hours ago, binman said:

More good news for the club. 

Any journos perusing Demonland for a good news story, please note, winning the McClelland trophy for best men's and women's football program can be added to an impressive list of positives from the last 3 years, a period where we:

• have won three flags 
• are even money favorite to win our fourth flag in a few weeks
• finished top 4 in the men's and women comp every season
• made finals in every VFL season
• (In spite of this success) go into the upcoming draft with a brilliant draft hand for any team, let alone a top 4 team 
• have a united board 
• a CEO (who had his critics when he came to the dees) doing a top job 
• have stabilized financially
• thankfully no longer have to rely on income from pokies 
• got to 70k plus members (an all time record)
• continued to strengthen the women's program
• have been able to keep the women's team together (very much unlike other top teams)
• are on the way to creating the best, most successful program in AFLW history
• did a thorough review of our 2022 season and made changes as a result
• resigned our men's and women's coach 
• made a series of long term, contract extensions to key players
• resigned Koz, a terrific message that our club is considered culturally safe by Aboriginal players (reinforced by McAdam nominating the dees) 
• been leaders in the Aboriginal cultural space - for example the Indigenous jumpers and Narrm initiative that other clubs are now getting on board with (eg renaming their team for Indigenous round)  
• not unrelated to the above two points, bedded down our Innovate Reconciliation Action Plan 
• managed the departure of Jackson in a way that has given us a great draft hand
• managed the  transition of Burgess to Griffith super well
• managed the situation with Jonsey not getting a game in the GF super well
• resigned Melk when we we could have easily said see ya
• have done a great job connecting with past players and bringing them back into the fold 
• had an assistant coach win one of the most coveted jobs in footy - the senior coach of the tigers

Yes, like every other club we have had our share of isolated incidents but by any measure that is a super impressive list of achievements, albeit missing one key thing - a home base. 

We are in better shape now then at any other point in the 45 plus years i have ardently followed the mighty dees. 

Go redlegs. 

I love our club

2 hours ago, deejammin' said:

DEE fence is bang on, the silence is deafening. MFC wins the trophy and 1mil for being the most consistent club across AFL and AFLW and radio silence from AFL.com. Instead an article about how important top ten picks are (duh!). MFC has been the benchmark across all three competitions AFL, AFLW, VFL for three years now. We’ve won 3 premierships (and counting with AFLW23 still to play) 4 GFs, finished in the top 4 8 times, made 9 final series and easily been the best club over this period. 
 

But what are they reporting on? A smear campaign against our coach and his family from 2020-21.

What are our real issues?Joel Smith is an [censored] who did coke in season. Clayton Oliver is immature and has some issues, Stephen May is confident and has a big mouth, leading to one stupid fight with his teammates and a statement about CFC that annoyed them (despite being true!). That’s it.
 

Compare that to CFC:

Magpies deny players involvement in elicit video (off-season 2023): https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/magpies-deny-players-involved-in-explicit-viral-video-and-warn-fans-of-criminal-offence/news-story/1527df5feed42453ba45d130f819cb56

Ginnivan at the races pre GF: https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/30/magpies-defend-ginnivan-over-trip-to-the-races-before-grand-final-everyone-just-relax-and-chill/amp/

Jack Crisps alleged sexting exchange with an underage girl 2023: https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/jack-crisps-next-move-revealed-after-afl-completes-investigation-into-inappropriate-video-c-10314050.amp

Jack Ginnivan allegedly does ketamine with players preaseason 2023: https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101994502

Jordan Degoey’s litany of mysognistic misdemeanours: https://amp.9news.com.au/article/384aa7b0-45be-4488-8f9c-d9c1f2e1191f

Quaynor and Ginnivan rate women’s appearance in online video: https://www.foxsports.com.au/web-stories/free/fox-sports/jack-ginnivan-and-isaac-quaynor-apologise-for-tiktok-video

Steele Sidebottom goes out drunk during COVID restrictions: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477947/amp/AFL-star-Steele-Sidebottom-drunk-does-not-remember-breaking-COVID-19-rules.html

The “do better report”: https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/01/collingwood-afl-clubs-culture-of-structural-racism-condemned-in-scathing-report

Wow what an incredible “culture” led to this years flag, it’s almost like winning premierships is possible even with a team of misbehaving DH’s as long as they are good at football. But no, it’s probably Darcy Moore’s ability to deliver a year 10 level debate speech and Craig MacRae and the Daicos’s being nice guys, I’m sure that’s an impeccable “culcha”. 

It’s nice to confirm the bias against us in the AFL media, which was largely under the surface until now. They hate us and will never praise us as a “big club” (within 10k and 16k of Hawthorn and Essendon with a higher average home attendance but never acknowledge that). Time for us to start calling them out often and loudly, or stop listening to and watching their rubbish as Robbo, Warner at the Hun are out for us as are Damo, Cornes and others at AFL.com. Stuff em.

The video incident smacks of porn revenge.  If what I heard is true, that Ginnivan was trying to get back at McStay for catching him taking drugs in the preseason, by filming him with his girlfriend, that's revenge porn and a crime.

23 hours ago, durango said:

I reckon the men should donate their portion to the women

I was at a wedding yesterday for one of our Ruby Demons members, to which Hester Brown was the celebrant.  Ben Brown and I were discussing the McLelland Trophy, and he hinted there were a few of the male players who were planning to do just that.  

On another note, Ben and I did get in trouble for following the scores of the Adelaide/North game.  We were watching the last quarter on my phone, to which Hester came over and said, "Oh, Ben, you're not....."  Ben and I did get the giggles!

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

😂 was typing when one of my chooks jumped from outta nowhere onto my lap, spilling coffee over the two of us. I didn’t realise I’d pressed submit.

The chook in question is Goldie, maybe she wanted to remind me to mention what a great player she is. 😂

She won’t do that again in a hurry since being bathed is not on the top of her things I like list. 

Anyways, as I was saying, the players are…

BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! 😁

That’s what I’m missing, a chook to blame my typos on!! 

11 hours ago, dpositive said:

apologies to all. You are correct in all you say.

i have presented a poorly constructed and articulated comment.

it does certainly present as sexist criticism which was not my intention. Thank you for taking the time to respond and as you say it would require more time to dissect than it is worth.

i will contnue to watch and support our male and female players and encourage everyone to do the same.

Thank you, I really appreciate your response. 

21 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

I would have thought that a Saturday afternoon game would have been perfect to be held at Punt Rd Oval or Princes Park. I know we have this silly arrangement with Casey, which gains us little local support in the region, but it's time we started making our women's games accessible. I did not attend the night fixture at Ikon, as I find night games annoying. People have other things to do on a saturday night, and it eliminates many families. Saturday arvo is ideal, but not 45kms FROM the CBD 

Been to Punt Rd lately? It’s pretty [censored]. Casey is far more comfortable as a spectator. Plus the capacity at Punt Rd is only about 2000, a 10th of Casey. 

22 hours ago, dpositive said:

I have said that AFLW was a defining cultural change and we have seen how bad we are at that. 

what was a grab for greater relevance by the AFL to attract a greater share of the market (females)  became a bit of a tsunami with free entry and family friendly additives. The standard with female bodies adapting to a sport designed for heavier stronger male bodies has been fantastic and as it has become more physical, mothers and women seem to have cooled in their support.

the sport does need to attract the cohorts female and families to grow their numbers and it needs females to engage with the game at the same vicarious level that AFL has achieved with the male game. Women need to talk of the women players around the water coolers and bbqs not the men players, steer the conversations about the game to women involvement, etc. In short a cultural change that needs support by women. Men have adopted the AFLW particularly fathers with daughters, taking their families to the games but in social contacts probably talk more of the males featured in the mainstream media.

It is a changing culture and it is happening  the AFL need to wary of the impact that Sam Kerr is having on its targetted market.

I have to say this list feels like a backhanded compliment but insulting at the same time. You’re implying women weren’t interested in football prior to AFLW’s introduction (which is demonstrably untrue) and that AFLW was only introduced to attract more women as spectators (also demonstrably untrue). I guess, though, my biggest issue I have with this post is your assertion it’s women’s fault was that AFLW doesn’t have the strong following AFL has is because women are still “talking the talk around BBQ’s” about male players and not female players. I’m sorry, but WTF? 
 

I’d hate to break it to you but football has always enjoyed support from female spectators since the beginning. Go look at footage of early 20th century games, you’ll see just as many women in the grandstands as you do men. As an example, my nana was born in 1910, she grew up around the corner from the Brunswick St oval, and she’d go every week with her parents and sister to Fitzroy games, as was the custom for many families, just like today. Even before AFLW sone clubs, including Melbourne, were having memberships showing equal representation of males and females. So the assertion you make that AFL needed to do more to attract women and families, and that’s the reason AFLW introduced, is wrong. It was introduced because women who were playing football wanted representation at a higher level. They wanted to be able to play football without people saying “you can’t do that, you’re a girl.” I was 1970s child, I used to love playing football in the backyard with my brother and his mates, we’d set up items in the yard to be goal posts, place the bins here, cricket stumps there, etc. I’d see the occasional girl in the little league in the G, or at my brother’s footy clinic, and I’d ask if I can join in, only to have my dad say, “no, you’re a girl.” It was demoralising to hear that as a kid. 

You implying AFLW doesn’t have a strong following because women need to stop talking about male players and start talking about women is absurd, sexist and contradictory. Contradictory because earlier in the post you made the assertion AFLW easily introduced to attract more female spectators, but then you state women spectators are only talking about the male players. Make your mind up, in your mind do we support footy or not? Sexist, because, well let’s face it, if I were to dissect your entire post on its levels of sexism I’d be here all day, and I’d much prefer to spend my day at Casey this afternoon supporting our AFLW team like I’ve been doing since the exhibition  matches. And absurd, because while you are implying women are at fault when we talk about male players, you make no mention that maybe, just maybe, men should perhaps talk more about female players. Why is it that women can be fans of both but men are only fans of the men? 
I’m a 52 year old woman who has supported my club since birth. I first became a member when my dad bought a family membership when I was 6 in 1977, and I’ve been a consecutive member since the age of 14 - next year will be my 39th year as a consecutive member. I‘be been in Redlegs since 1988, I’m a Demon Army member, a Ruby Demons committee member, a foundation AFLW member, I participated in forums last year run by David Rennick on the constitutional changes, I sponsor an AFLW player, and I volunteer my time for the football club. I’m an active participant and supporter of both men’s and women’s programs. And I’m a woman. I’d love it if more men showed as much support for the women in the club as they do for the men. Because we’re one club, that happens to pioneer representation of both men and women in the game. 

I may have missed something that's already been discussed, and if I have I apologise in advance.

Melbourne offered picks 6, 11, 42 and future first round pick for pick 1.  My understanding is Melbourne wanted 42 to pick up Kynan Brown under father/son.  If they're willing to use all their draft picks to get 1, does that mean Melbourne aren't interested in Brown?

EDIT - I can see some discussion, so yes, I apologise.  I'll have a read through properly.  Sorry, just with some Year 11s this morning helping them revise for exams.... not one of my most engaged mornings, I'm afraid.

14 hours ago, BDA said:

aine tighe out for Freo. makes things easier for us. big loss for freo

Ebony Antonio is also a massive out.  She's out for the rest of the season, having just had surgery for PCL

A couple of telling things, though:

In Round 1 our game against Collingwood was 8412, the highest crowd of any event held at IKON in 2023, as well as the second largest AFLW crowd this season.  Conversely, the Round 6 match between Carlton and Collingwood, two clubs with far higher memberships than Melbourne, attracted just 3111, and they didn't have AFL finals to compete with.  I know the crowd of 2704 last week is disappointing, but let's not forget it was the second highest crowd of the round.  I don't think the problem of low attendances is exclusive to Melbourne.

A little video I made of the girls at banner making last night https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNkFHf1Q/

15 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i notice the nrl-w play at the same time as the men. they do have less teams and a shorter season though ... just saying

If they can have a full length season, then that would be a good thing.  Bear in mind also, NRLW started after AFLW, we didn't have all 18 teams in until last year.

10 minutes ago, brendan said:

I think they made a mistake changing when the season starts should have left it as it was as everyone is itching for footy at the start of the year, not so much now 

Problem is, in Jan/Feb starts, you're asking them to play during the hottest time of the year, which cannot be good conditions for them.