MyFavouriteMartian
Members-
Posts
1,598 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Everything posted by MyFavouriteMartian
-
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
I know Slug played VFL. Not top level football. Neeld was not considered worthy as a coach, by the players and others around the club. At the time he started. I mucked up Re Neelds AFL games. Years Club Games (Goals) 1990–1993 Geelong 48 (17) 1994–1996 Richmond 26 (16) Total 74 (33) But the point remains. He was not considered worthy to be our AFL coach by most around the club. And especially when he tried do bring down instant discipline on the players. It was easy for the players to Buck-Up and rebel against him, because so many former Melbourne people and others about the club, were talking behind his back, undermining him even before the Pre-Season. These are not the signs of a healthy culture, and they had started years prior. This point in time was a tipping point in our history, where things were at the end of the road, and could not be let go on any longer. That's where the AFL put their boots down, and took over. They brought the footy people to us, to get us back up on our feet. We haven't done it, they're people did it, and left. Now we have to get things right ourselves. From our board level. Its time to get that home base happening. -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
Both Wight and Hardeman are under 6'-2" OR 188cms. a very short backline. Forwardline is too tall. 3 big players, 6'-3" and over, they'll get in one another's way. There is a couple of tall players there, who can play Key tall back. And still no Grinter in that team.? -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
The rants already have been going on for years swyl, ever since Neeld was hired in the first place. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
Neeld didn't put US in the position we were already in. We were just in a downward spiral, and he was a mere puppet in the scheme of it all. So stop kicking someone who just wasn't up to it, as you say. He didn't hire himself. Simply tried to make a difference. So how can people hate someone so much, for trying.? # I think he must be wearing 50Yrs of Pain, from Mfc supporters. Hating isn't going to make us winners. only Honesty can do that. -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
Is that you, Robbo.? -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
True, but would you have now, Fowler in the BP, or Grinter into the side, for today's footy.? I would have Whelan in as well, if could fit in the team, ahead of Fowler. for kicking. -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
Occasionally he did, and more-so later in his career. But his staple in trade was chasing, but not quite reaching... harassing. referred pressure. -
Peoples Red-Centres are in their hearts, 'dc'. its called love, sharing, kindness, and no greed or self-centre.
-
Goodwin Concerned About Cuts to Coaching Staff
MyFavouriteMartian replied to Demonland's topic in Melbourne Demons
Agh, but reducing the interchange bench by half, will. -
Goodwin Concerned About Cuts to Coaching Staff
MyFavouriteMartian replied to Demonland's topic in Melbourne Demons
Educated intelligent coaches, who are bored with simply trying to motivate their players into walking machines, instead want to turn our game from one of spontaneous exhilaration, into some computer chess game. Have anyone EVER enjoyed watching chess played.? I think the coaches have created a game for themselves to get into... and left behind the masses, who just want to be entertained via spontaneity & exhilaration. The randomness of two-up, or a boxing match which can change in an instant. Bring back 'footy', and let the 'pole-iticals correct' do something else. -
IF it come to that, I like it.! IF it must be played with no supporters... or only a small crowd; then Play the Granny in The-RED-Centre of Australia.
-
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
He did, or nDaniher did.? Tackling, oh you mean his referred pressure.? ssshh. -
IMO, backed up by really poor results over my lifetime, is from the very top, we've had a going nowhere attitude. (apart for Richard Seddons time at the top)... where things were being truly taken on. But he 'RS', left the post too soon, when momentum was just picking up.. possibly he was Too optimistic a person, and thought things would continue to grow. We needed a few of his ilk at the same time, driving the club forward. Most other times, it seems an attitude of "business as usual", was near enough for most of our Boards... lack of vision. I believe it seems that a total lack of vision was used across decades. I imagine that this lacking vision was the conservative ideal of having everything we ever dreamed of within the 'G'... every board members dream (rubbing elbows at the 'G') to overcome their Boredom. In this way, I believe we cannot trust future boards, Not to be infected by the same inactive virus caused by the love of the 'G'... IMO, we need our Home base like this Mfc needs a pair of Balls... to give it direction, moving forward/up-ward. Lets stop sitting to 'P'... The Homebase complete with Boardroom, will Establish Our own Identity once and for-all. Thats the first. Then Our boards directors, will change nature IMO. More directors will be elected, who love the Mfclub, more than the status of the 'G'...and will be making better footy type decisions, operating from our HomeBase. It will become more a Footy club, rather than a Hybrid, of Mcc and simply 'G' patronage. For We are the mighty Dees... not the Mcc's, and not the mighty 'G's_ .
-
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
Yep, a fine kick was Grinter, and a very handy player all over the ground, and special skills to boot. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
I'm simply doing the running on behalf of a person who is down, cannot yell for himself, and is being kicked whilst on the ground. This is a trait of Melbournians, to hate at people they 'Think', has done them wrong. hurt them. ... so we try to hurt them back, right or wrong. Not being able to 'Own' our mistakes, or misjudgements, is ours, and this clubs fault, and hinders us from becoming a power again. Blaming others all the time, and crying we be wronged, stops us from learning where WE go wrong. And so we do-not empower ourselves, to make the adjustments we really need to make. Its no one else's fault, that we haven't won an AFL Premiership in more than 50 years. Its Our Fault. We have not learnt, and adapted to winning, as a club. Inside and outside the club. -
Also I would not want to spend 3 hours on a plane, with someone who might/might-not, be about to become A symptomatic. Going over there or back again. Bring them East to settle for a bit, and shorter/quicker travels, to & fro games.
-
Its all one big learning curve, for the world. And the 1st rule is to act swiftly, do not wait to take measures to quell it.
-
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
One sign of happiness, and of a strong club culture, is how much the players desire to defend and work hard when we don't have the ball... consistently. The desire to fight to stop 'them', and win the ball back for our team. This should be second nature for all players, And they should all be outraged when one of their own is put down. All for one, and one for all... is the only way. Working hard off the track in the gym, and away from the club. Socialising should take second place to the team and club. And we've had players, talented players sniffing about socially. that is no good and very self. tittsornot, pool or not. board short, or not. -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
Sorry dieter, you seem to be wearing the blinkers. Farmer, aJohnson, and Willo are not big... pace with Johno and Farmer, both can play defensive forwards, and farmer exceptional overhead. More dangerous around goals than Davey. AJohnson just a brilliant tactical player. Can rotate back, mid, and forward, as a small. Davey was very limited in where you could play him, and he would struggle in today's game, with the press and tackling, ruling the day. But imo, he can sit with robbo, bruce and green. Yep, I new I should have selected dHughes. but wanted a bit more old-fashioned mongrel, in the Melbourne team. Because we perennially lack those who will win at all costs. Oh, one I did miss was Grinter. I think lFowler might give way for Rodney.g. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
And just where do you think that creditability starts from. Its how one expresses themselves. In Roosy's case, he has carried it naturally all his footy life. Probably not so for Neeld. For Barass, he carried it from his playing ways, and honed it in his early media days. This gave him his cred, and his start in footy as a playing-coach. For Jordan, he had the respect afforded from his generation, his credentials from playing high level cricket, and footy to a level. And so his start was in lesser age groups and rose to prominence from there. Credentialed as one of the best junior developers in the country. Neeld did not play at the top level, like Jordan, so he was always struggling for the respect required, not just by the playing list, but by many "Melbourne people", close to and around the club. This poor support does not bode well for any Coach, starting off. And so it started this way... and ended this way. The tail still wagging. Happily wagging. Smithy would NOT approve of the clubs actions, or of the players of that time, nor of those around the club who backstabbed the coach from the very start. Not giving it a red-hot chance. In short, the negative attitude Neeld wanted out, ending up staying, and took his coaching life. But he met it, head on. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
No...! Because it s a group culture situation which is continually refreshing itself from the bottom... The senior players can have poor attitudes and not even understand this. As it feels all so innocent to them. "I'm not doing anything wrong, sir" The kids come into the cubs raw, and they adopt the attitudes ways and styles of their seniors; unconsciously, as they struggle for acceptance within the structures. Few are able to remain themselves, and maintain a single-minded attitude to a total professionalism, at the expense of the social inside club experience. So the senior players can hand down a poor culture of self protectionism, and a sort of losing with status mindset, learned after decades of losing in the 70's, and into early 80's. This is where we lost the culture that Checker brought to us, which grew with winning momentum, thru Checkers and Smith's tenures. The loss of this winning culture has been irretrievable so far. IT IS so important, and it can take generations of players winning, to get that level of culture back into the club. Half of that time is eradicating the learned losing attitudes, that no one ever searches for in their minds. Most ego centric people cannot handle searching for negatives in themselves... they just do NOT want to do that, as it implies they have failings, weaknesses. And it hurts them to even think such a negative thing. Many just cannot do it. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
When we have top level talented players, who are being idolised just as they are for all their weaknesses, the tendency, without strong leadership from the coaches and from above, is the players won't improve much beyond their natural selves. This continues to hamper Mfc players, every decade. When the players are young and still playing, they just don't realise the impact, that their near enough attitude will have on their careers. And on the clubs successes. we supporters get over-hyped about talent when it comes on board the Mfc, and we contribute to the failures of our kids, Via our over-exuberance toward the kids, and our impatience for their elevation to the senior team. We pump them up too high in social media, and around training, etc. causing them to get a sense of over-security. A bit of anxiety in the kids keeps them on their toes and to not get ahead of themselves... such as Watt. and possibly Hoges. Some become overnight legends in their daytime lunch-boxes. This is a negative impact for their development. It strays from honesty, and of reality deep in many players minds. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
Of course it is, our tails had been wagging the club, since the mid 90's. They ran the show under weak coaches, who tolerated them... a bit like that coach of the day, played and socialised, when he was a player. Thru that weal culture period, we also copped many serious injuries via a lack of off field professionalism, in the gym, and about the club. This is why we has so many serious back injuries. And the club didn't have the money to employ the best. We had the most natural talented list. Which sorely lacked discipline and an honest work ethic of two way running. Front runners-we were. This carried on after the new coach came aboard in '98. And any new recruits were initiated into the existing culture. -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
MyFavouriteMartian replied to dazzledavey36's topic in Melbourne Demons
We have/are building a better one, started after Neeld was sacked. But he would have done so as well. But I would prefer Roosy every time to rebuild a list than Neeld. But the cuts done were necessary, and the Culture shift was rehab'd by Roosy. But if Roosy had come in at the time we appointed Neeld, he would have taken 5 or 6 years to get to where he got us to, Pre Goodwin. Neeld fast-tracked the hard change. - - - - - I think we should remember that the club stuffed the initial rebuild with the likes of morton, bennell, gysberts, etc. We didn't have time to stuff about again, after already stuffing it up under Bailey. Neeld was appointed when other, more senior coaches were out there. Our admin chose a newbie in Neeld. Why, was it because he did as they asked him to do. To sort the list and culture.? The AFL was already watching over us like a hawk, checking our progress, or non-progress. Neeld came in to do a specific job right from the very start. In other words he started like a house already on fire, establishing the rules at the B&F night. He did not have to attend that night, but wanted to, and he put the wind up the players there and then. It also flushed out many staff & officials volunteers, who [censored] themselves, and started to worry about his methods. Scared, they all gossiped behind his back all off season, before pre-season had even kicked off. He was on a hiding to nothing, so, he had nothing to lose by going as hard as he could, to effect as much change as he could get done in the time he had. IF you cannot see, this current list and culture is way better than our late 90's and early 2000's culture, then you would need to look more closely when we are winning. Because winning alone does not indicate a strong & healthy culture. But this is what we had even when playing finals. Lacking ability to continue developing youth, as we play high level senior footy... like the Cats did do in the 2000's. The Cats continued have kids raise their standards, even with great players in the seniors holding them out. Roos would have taken a season to ascertain what he could work with, and slowly, those who had let him down would be cut. or traded to other clubs. Difference is methods, one louder, more out there, and the other is more diplomatic, more private thinking, and scheming, to effect the change. Result not much different over the timespan. The big difference is that Roosy is the better salesman. Enjoying the support of those outside the club, (thru his diplomacy), and so, also the admins inside the club, for that same reason. Keeping us Indians, non-restless. . -
Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
MyFavouriteMartian replied to whatwhat say what's topic in Melbourne Demons
You think, obviously you do. Jakovich pushes Robbo to the reserves. Both had reverse gears, when it came to defence. But at least Jako would stay on his feet longer, and had better 2nd efforts for the ball. Ricky Jackson, all day long, over Davey.