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I think some honest communication with the players, then the staff, then finally the supporter base. I know the club is tied with wanting to keep supporters positive and engaged but I’d prefer they come out and say we need change, we agree that standards have slipped, we tried something new and it’s backfired. The club has pushed the love and happiness too far, the desire to be the best is not there - club wide.

Remember last year when Trac, Clarry and Koz all wanted to leave? That horse has bolted, Clarry and Trac are stuck against their will and both are playing like it. I think a lot of this is perfect storm stuff but Goodwin sucked the life out of the group with the most mentally and physically taxing gameplan possible, I can see the change coming now but the desire to follow through 100% of the time is just not there. There is no righting this ship without significant change throughout the whole club. I certainly don’t think it’s all on Goody but his message has gone stale so it won’t matter what he tries to tell the

Suns kicking inside 50 is a treat to watch, everything else about this game is a dire reminder that we are a nothing club

Hope Windsor gets plenty of centre square action

Derksen has kicked 53.36 vs Jeffo kicking 66.42, So he’s also kicked 80% of the goals Jeffo has. I’m not expecting him to be the next Stewart Loewe but he’s definitely got some ability.

Dominating is being kind to him, even for you. He’s contributing and deserves a go but he’s not controlling games. Some VFL stats; Wade Derksen - 56 games for 350 marks Jeffo - 43 games for 156 marks That’s quite a difference.

Windsor has far greater scope than Jayden Hunt, he’s much better in traffic and aerially

Given where we now sit in the season, I think Goody’s best chance at holding his position for next year is to throw the magnets round in a proper fashion and try and unearth something new. JVR was a defender as a junior, let’s give him a go there before he requests a trade. Bowser was a HF/Wing, let’s try him at HF in the connector role Petty can go back in place of Lever (he can go to Casey) Jeffo in unconditionally Play two rucks and throw Verrall to the wolves Howes was also a HF, maybe give him the Melksham spot? I know all this would create carnage but doing the same thing each week, with the same players, isn’t working. I’d rather lose by 80 points and find out about some players than have these miserable 20-30 point losses where we are never really in it

Sam Mitchell has a very elevated sense of self worth, I’d prefer someone a little less about themself

From a business perspective, membership is way down and I’d expect it to drop significantly, again, for 2026. Contest and defence does not hold supporters hearts for very long, especially when it’s losing more than it’s winning. If we lose another 10k members at $600+ each, that’s a much greater sum than Goody’s payout.

As someone who was similar, I find the lack of basic skills in the modern game hard to swallow. I was watching my son’s U/8’s game yesterday and 99% of the kids run sideways as a first instinct and kick over their shoulder. Their coaches are trying to tell them to run straight but they all want to ‘run before they can walk’. To add some relevance to this thread, we have relied upon a model that no longer works and it appears we have tried to turn our entire list into the same type of player, leaving the skilled players bereft of confidence and the necessary development in skills has stagnated or been forgotten in the search for contest and defence.

The alarming thing for the club would be the review identified the need for more independence from the players. All controlling Goody was not working, the new player led version is also not working. The players themselves are not holding up their end of the bargain. I’d love a fresh voice for 2026 and feel the players have decided that’s what they want to - they are clearly not following instruction

I would absolutely kill for Butters to be in our side. He’ll do absolutely bonkers things for his team. As tough/kamikaze as Viney, as damaging as Trac and a better kick than our entire side. He had a few kicks out of contest today that were just brilliant, his vision must be phenomenal.

Edited to be more specific about his kicking.

Maybe slightly harsh on Max and I acknowledge he carries the club like no other AFL captain. He absolutely lets us down as much, if not more, than Trac, Clarry, Viney, Lever all do. At the end of the day, he’s paid a lot of money to help us win games. He often does it but his kicking, specifically, costs us on many, many occasions.

I’m not sure Trac ever gets back to being in the best players of the comp, he’s had a very serious injury, granted, but he’s avoiding contact, fumbling like crazy and kicking like an u8. I know he’s doing plenty of work at training, often last off the track, he just seems to be mentally defeated. His value could not possibly be any lower right now

The worst part about this week is we have confirmed what all the Collingwood faithful said last week, we played our grand final against them so this was always going to happen. We can steel ourselves for a big game occasionally (Brissy, Kings B’day) but we cannot perform consistently at the level required to be anything other than pack fodder. If I was a young player at Melbourne, I would be absolutely shattered seeing our senior players pick and choose when they are ‘on’ and also squander opportunities at the rate they do. We are going to be dragging the anchor of Max, Trac, Viney, Clarry, Lever and May for as long as Goody is still coach, so let’s hope the club can see past 2021 and start addressing the future in a meaningful manner

Real interesting one, if Viney wasn’t holding him, Butters was 100% going to flatten him. He’s gone the opposite way to the ball directly at him - I can’t be the only one thinking this?

I was worried that JVR, Riv and Lever wouldn’t have enough currency to get us anything decent. Moving everyone on from your list would barely get us a single draft pick. We’ve got coverage for Lever (Petty, Turner, T-Mac & Adams) and I’d say Turner has waltzed past Lever in the past few weeks. Similarly, we have coverage for Rivers wherever he plays. Trac, Clarry and Viney are all signed long term, so at least 2 will be permanently playing mid. JVR is a little different but on 2025 output, we could play Jeffo all next year and if all but guarantee we break even, at minimum. I’d hope the club is going hard at more forward/mid types as a high priority, they cost money/picks and we will have to lose something of value to gain in that area. Ideally, I’d like more height added to our HFF/Mid rotation. We still need better ball users to complement Lindsay and Langford moving forward.

Interesting period coming up, feels like we are at a significant crossroad. Clarry, Trac, Viney, Koz are all locked in to long deals. We still need a lot of class around the first three to seriously challenge the best - I’m talking every week, not just one big game every 6. I’d be open to shopping JVR, Riv and Lever - I acknowledge there’s not a lot of currency there but we need more fresh faces

You’re saying there’s a chance? (Tongue in cheek although I would love Whitfield)

Jamarra would do too much damage to our brand, no way we take him on after our last few seasons of media beltings

May has plenty of form in berating teammates, earlier in the game he looked to be absolutely blasting Xavier Lindsay?

Petty is shifted around far too easily by defenders, it’s almost laughable how easy he gets outbodied. As a 3rd tall forward he would be great, although we have a host of 3rd talls and lack of #1 and/or #2

I’m sure you would have been at the game today, Binny, but on Ch 7 Luke Hodge was not at all happy with multiple decisions against us. BT kept trying to bait him but he resisted blowing his lid