Lord Nev

Given Mr Bartlett has said today on SEN that the "expectation is to play finals" in the same interview where the club has pleaded for financial donations, what are the ramifications if we don't meet expectations?

Johhnie Walker gone, possibly a while ago?

They also didn't have any video and we did. Reckon our media dept is doing a great job this year.

Would be very interested to know if Burgess' contract is just the 1 year, as that seems to have been the implication in all the media reporting but has not seemingly been confirmed or denied by the club.

Interpret this how you wish. I'll just leave it here...

He can do that in the scratch match then like some of the other players. No more special treatment at the selection table.

Because he had a poor game? I mean, at most footy clubs that's what they would do anyway.

No, I just decided that once our discussion got to the point of throwing around insults it had run it's course. Have a good one.

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That's the point. We currently don't have a "serviceable" key forward. No is saying we're going to offer huge money or a long contract. What feasible alternatives are you suggesting?

It's your own logic you're criticizing.

Because Casboult is better than both of them currently and his strengths are the ones we lack. Neither Weid or Brown are good on the lead and neither look like any danger of taking a contested mark. It's a bit like saying 'why did we draft Pickett when we already have ANB as a small forward?'.

Mate, the only thing we are disagreeing on is who is better out of Casboult and Brown. I completely agree with you that Brown should be playing right now, have said that a few times now.

Have always stuck up for him purely on the basis of the trade deals we've been able to make happen, BUT there's no doubt there should be pressure on him and have heard some pretty unfavourable things said about him by people who absolutely would know and be able to make judgments on it. (Sorry, not going to 'name names' for obvious reasons here, and yes I understand how some people will perceive that). Unfortunately for us, it seems we have a bit of a 'new boys club' currently and Mahoney has firmly entrenched himself in that.

I'm not against Brown at all, I would 100% have him in the team at the moment and have put him in my 'ins' the last few weeks in the changes threads. I just think Casboult's leading and marking would fill a much needed space in our forward line, and in those regards he's miles ahead of Brown. And yes, you are correct in that I will highlight that this season so far Casboult is averaging 7 marks, including 3 contested, 2 marks inside 50, 2 goals & 8 hitouts. Reckon 2019 is not a 100% true indicator of Brown as he was a target far more often given Daniher played 4 games. Carlton had more options forward.

Same mate, been keen on him for a while as I think his strengths fit in well with our mix.

Usually here if we play on a Sunday the pattern goes: Sunday & Monday - Anger Tuesday - Confusion moving into sarcasm Wednesday - Productive thought Thursday - Hope, leading to confusion again at about 6.25pm Friday - Head shaking Saturday - Hope again

I agree we should already have one of Weid or Brown in the team at the moment, but IMO neither of them are anywhere near Casboult as a player currently. Not even close.

Mate, I was being facetious with that comment. Pointing out the exact point you're making.

No. And trying to over simplify things in this way doesn't do anyone any favours. We need a key forward who can lead and mark, that's pretty obvious. It's a role to fill, not a 'saviour'. We don't have anything in ways of trade currency, so we need to look at free agents. As far as free agents go Jeremy Cameron is without doubt the best option. Should we not get him we need to look at the other options. One of those is Casboult. One of the best pairs of hands in the league, consistently leads and has not missed a shot on goal this year. If you'd prefer to throw around some of the unrealistic ideas that always pop up then go for it, I'm sure we can trade the Wagners, Niteschke, Dunkley and Chandler in a package deal for Ben Brown.

In saying that though @Little Goffy, for me, it is Jezza Cameron..................daylight........................Casboult

Yeah, my hope would be Levi could bridge the 'Weid/Jackson gap' where he covers us for a couple of years while one (or hopefully both) of those guys really come on. He almost left the Blues last time he was out of contract but then some weird contract clause kicked in from memory and they signed him up again. Having a genuine big unit who will lead hard and never drop the ball would be a godsend for us, plus the bloke literally hasn't missed this year; 8 goals straight.

Could very well be just the standard player manager ploy we see about this time every year to ensure a fat contract...

Titus summed it up for me this week, as he often does: "Wouldn’t it be nice if the players met us fans halfway and wore the jumper with the same commitment Melbourne members show year after excruciating year? Charities do have to show that donations are being put towards fixing the problem."

Gotta play with the hand you're dealt. We don't have much in the way of trade currency so it's likely to be a free agent we chase if we do. Those 3 are the best 3 options as far as key forwards go. FWIW I think Casboult would be a great get for us. Excellent mark, good on the lead and seems to have worked hard to fix his kicking.