Gawndy the Great

Twomey suggesting Cadman to go somewhere in 1-3 mark. Can see the other posts suggesting the same. We will struggle to get him and we'd need WC's pick 2 to have a chance. But even then, GWS will probably trade with NMFC to get him. Norf dont really need a number 1, but 2-3 first round picks would do them a great deal of becoming and remaining competitive for a while and thats even without even considering what they could get for JHF.

Because they'll net more picks in the following year having to get him to Freo. Its a one-off $1M investment for more picks to bring in more talent or trade for better players. It is a no-brainer for them and they'll have cap space. Also whats to say that he'll deman $1M? What if his contract with Freo is back-ended? As an aside, surely the AFL should look at compensation picks for clubs loosing players to the PSD. I havent thought about it too deeply and im sure there are opportunities for clubs to exploit this, but for scenario's where a trade cannot be organised, compensation should be awarded to the club loosing the player based on some fair-value calculation. This should at least create a deterrent for clubs not to offer under's and give some bargaining power for clubs that are in our position.

So who has the most to lose if a deal cannot be struck? 1. We have immediate coverage for LJ in Grundy , but we lose picks obviously. Sure we lose a bit of face but have stood firmly. 2. LJ goes to Norf, best case to WC if Dunkley ends up in the PSD. So he can’t get home or play footy for a year and has a crappy salary. 3. Freo caught with their pants down, Lobb at the Doggies with no real 2nd ruck option and a bad reputation for future trade scenarios. Hard call, but I don’t think it’s us.

Couldn't we ask for 11, 13 and their F2 then?

For the most part i agree. However in the last few weeks he could have: 1) Visited WC facilities and engage in discussions with their list management 2) Stopped hanging out with Freo players 3) Have asked his management to leak discussions with media on his possibility to resign for another 1-2 years with Melbourne if a deal cannot be reached. His good intent is very shallow and Freo are seeing straight through it for the lack of reasons sighted above. Heck he's probably having dinner at Bells place tonight.

Perhaps they want to keep something for this year and hence their unwillingness to trade Norfs comp pick to us.

Theyll try and do 21 and F1 for Dunkley from Brisbane. Then give 21 to Freo for Lobb. Freo can then package up 13, 19 and F1 (or 21 from Brissy) Problem with 21 is that holds a lot of points for Brissy to let go as they are chasing Ashcroft and the other fella.

The posturing alone while there is still time will send a message. This is where I was annoyed with LJ - he could have waited a few more weeks before he started to hang out with Freo players.

I can guarantee you that half the stuff on DL is bizarre but I dont judge. Maybe I’m being a little immature but we don’t have many options and have little bargaining power. We have to create some leverage. We can say that we want two top 10 picks but where does that even leave us? All we need to do is create doubt in LJs management and Freos list management team . Viney doesn’t owe us anything - yes - but NMFC can do us a solid which they could cash in at a later time. Viney could defy help make that happen.

Not if WC deal pick 2 with Port.

Viney wouldn’t let that happen. That is screwing us royally.

Well the idea would be for Norf to leak that they would before the draft so that LJ is compelled to sign with us and not take his chances in the PSD - Viney can make sure that happens. That way we avoid him thinking he’ll just walk into WC. if WC trade pick 2 with Port there are half a dozen clubs that’ll take LJ anyway before he even gets a look in to WA. So either Freo or WC trade with us fairly or LJ resigns for another 2.

Get onto Viney (Todd) and organise a leak that Norf will use one of their 1st two picks to net LJ if he nominates for the PSD. Then play hardball with Freo to get the picks we want plus another F2 for being [censored]. If Freo fail to provide adequate picks let LJ go through to the PSD. He’ll then sign a contract with us for another 2 years and we can then deal again next year.

Luke just has to threaten to resign with MFC. The fact that he is mingling with the Freo players already is just unprofessional. He should have stayed here until the deal was signed and be seen getting photographed with documents in hand leaving MFC HQ. The guy is a peanut and despite his best intention is just as responsible for contributing to this colossal f up of a situation. Hope Viney runs straight through him at the centre bounce.

Sign an agreement with LJ saying we will keep you for another year if an agreement cannot be reached.

It’s funny as I also put Rowell in the same bucket and he’s had a few extra years in the system (admittedly some of it injured) . Dominated junior footy, but his impact on the game is not as good a so thought it would be.

Sounds about right.

Yep they’ll take Warlord and Cadman 1 & 2.

Slippery slope that one. I also don’t think you can compare the situations easily.

It is amusing that given how much this trade was talked about in the lead up to trade week, it feels all but forgotten in trade week.

As a side note - with no intent to derail this wonderfully entertaining thread - i wonder how many times this sentence has been repeated on DL. Which begs the bigger and more important question, what is the most repeated one liner ever on DL.

I think they have their points now for Ashcroft without trading the first rounder?

Looks more like a 2nd tall. We already have JVR taking on those duties.

I’m afraid Cadman is at GWS next year. They need a KPF and they have the picks. Can’t see it any other way unless we get #2.

I like Bedford, but he is not worth a Pick 21. 30s his more his value and late 30s at that.