Gawndy the Great

I think Sparrow has more upside too. He is a tougher mid and better kick. He just needs more experience. I think Bowey comes in for Hunt, Taj probably gets a few looks at some stage on as either HF or wing, Turner is ahead of Tommo and chandler ahead of Bedford now. We also have JJ that was out late in the year. TMac also comes back from injury and you have Grundy for LJ. Then JVR gets some games too. The question is where does the talent go in VFL without these players. None of the players we are losing have any upside left - they are a known quantity. We know their best and most couldn’t make the 23 anymore. So in IMV the refresh is a good thing as we are getting more youth into the squad.

The one positive thing if Horne Francis does goto Port, is that they will have to throw everything they have in picks this year plus next year - pretty much ending any pursuit for Kozzy unless they give us players i.e Butters.

Trade done.

We are creating a lot of cap space if we are also talking about moving Tommo on. Just can’t see how we plan to use it this year. Unless we are in the process of bringing in a big name KPF or perhaps Bowes ?

This came up on my FB page. We are dealing with the club that has the lowest to offer us for LJ. Where as WC have so much more in draft capital.

Not happy with the early speculation so far. Not sure who we are clearing the cap space for as well given there is only Grundy we are publically going after. Maybe it’s Kozzys next deal? Would have thought you’d just give him what he’s currently earning + Hunt + Bedfords earnings for the next 3 -4 years~ 500K for 4 years

McKay signs for 7 years with the Blues. No doubt this is a result as a number of clubs chasing him this year. Carlton will have some cap issues soon I wonder who they end up dumping.

I hope he’s not related to Jimmy Toumpas

I don’t think Norf need a KPF but could understand them taking him. They need more half backs and outside midfielders. They already have Larkey and Zurhar which are good forwards. I think they will also need a ruck as Coleman Jones is a bit meh.

He talks the talk but will he walk the walk.

Frost was something else. His body worked faster than his brain. He had athleticism and was skilful, unfortunately couldn’t combine them at the same time. We tried to keep him on the cheap - prefer he stayed in the squad ahead of others tbh.

I’m not my happy about this move at all. Yes he’s not in our best, but he had what most players didn’t and that was raw pace.

I was laughed at when I suggested Pick 11, so the change would need to be Freos future 1st.

What if we deal with Bowes mgr and say we strike up a new deal we could flatten out a portion of the next 2 years? His tax obligation would be reduced as a bonus so he’ll keep more money?

Hmmm. Freo will finish top 8 again so it’ll be a late first rounder you’d think. It feels the point value is still unders.

Probably doesnt have the tank to do what ANB does, but that can change with hard work. Does he have it in him? maybe he doesnt. I do remember him being rather crafty in front of goal. We need pace in our forward line. Hunt, Kozzy, Spargo is a lot faster than ANB, Kozzy Spargo.

I think it’s for Pick 13 and their Future 1st. So we get Pick 8 and what Freo get for Lobb (29) and Freos 2nd (32). That’s not good enough IMV.

Where's the fun in dealing with even more speculation ;). Any scenario that lands us with a KPF + Grundy is a win. Pick 2 nets us Cadman. As for future picks, well that would mean we have to put up with BBB and TMac for another year and we all know that story too well. Maybe JVR changes it up and maybe Maxy learns to kick straight. but JVR needs a long term partner in crime and the other 3 are approaching their expiry date.

Maybe its just Tommo , Lobb, Fut 2 for Pick 11 then. That's two picks around the late 20's/low 30's. just means Freo have to throw more at us in return for LJ. Maybe their Future 2nd. Unless you think: LJ+Tommo <> Picks 11, 13, 31 is fair.

Not really for MFC, we get two late 1st rounders and 2nd rounder for LJ. This is what we have said will get the trade done. I can see your point re: Dogs, maybe take pick 29 out of the equation, but then we are just giving Tommo away so Freo can pick 11, which further dilutes the LJ trade compensation fo rus.. Freo have to give up 2x1st round, 1x 2nd rounder if they don't find a way for a top 10 pick. They'll get other picks for Logue, Lobb etc which might end up being worth Pick 11, but its complicated whatever way you look at it.

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf

you may laugh, but end of the day how is Freo going to get the picks we demand for LJ. Perhaps they have to give up more in exchange for Pick 11. It was the hardest part of the equation where i think we were fairly compensated for losing Tommo and LJ.

What y'all think? Its a bit long and wishful thinking, but i've tried to be realistic. Trade 1: WB IN: Lobb, Tomlinson OUT: Pick 11, Pick 29 MFC IN: Pick 11, Pick 13, Pick 29, Pick 31 OUT: LJ, Tomlinson FREO IN: LJ OUT Lobb, Pick 11, Pick 13, Pick 31 Trade 2: MFC: In: Pick 2 , Pick 38 (Total: 2669 pts) Out: Pick 11, Pick 13, Pick 32 (Total: 3125pts) WCE In: Pick 11, Pick 13, Pick 32 (Total: 3125pts) Out: Pick 2, Pick 38 (Total: 2669 pts) Trade 3 MFC: In: Grundy (+350K) Out: Pick 29, Pick 31, Pick 38 (Total: 1724 pts) BFC In: Pick 29, Pick 31, Pick 38 (Total: 1724 pts) Out: Pick 15 (Total: 1112 pts) CFC In: Pick 15 (Total: 1112 pts) Out: Grundy (-350K) So we get: In: Pick 2, Grundy (+350K dump) Out: LJ, Tommo, Pick 32

He is, but he can definitely be better. I think he needs a bit more forward craft coaching and if we were able to snare Stevie J, would become the prominent SF of the comp. Skillfully better than Stengle and Papley IMV, but lacks a bit of experience based smarts.

Which is about right. I don't know whether we try to take it to WC and split their pick 2 + 2nd rounder (which goes to the Pies for Grundy). They would be silly not to look at that, because there are no WA boys that will go pick 2 and they get 2 picks in the 1st round. And we secure Cadman with said pick.