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You are not understanding the totality of Clarries issues from the start. I thought most fans understood his mental physical and fitness challenges when it all came out during his return in pre season. You have just called Clarry unprofessional when he made every effort by himself to prepare for the year. He was not under Club control but training with other support and doing vast amounts of running. Plenty of film/photos were featured during this time. Eventually he came back and started his Club pre season but was clearly underdone although we hoped he would get better game by game. Yes he has/ had done some unprofessional things but not his attempt to become fit for the season. That is totally not fair and he should be lauded for the effort/s he has tried this season. Also the other injuries that have surfaced have impounded the pressure on his fitness levels. I think some / many/ few were surprised when he was selected from Round 1 vs Sydney. Not sure that was the wisest move for the long term season plan really. Lets just learn from it all that Clarry is in a much greater space now and give home time now to concentrate on ridding himself of those injuries and when able commence a Clubprogram pre season during the off season. And that we will see the real Clarry again in the top echelon next season in the mid field.

And Jefferson please.

Please ask our Coach about the Sub rule. He is one of the few who totally misunderstands it relating back to last season.

????? Less of a queue where ??? We want him !!!

Definitely get him Dimma not a fan apparently.

Who cares we need forwards not half backs.

At first it was said that it was Trac who wanted to stay out / return to the field. Trac indicated this himself. I think we should also be aware of the extreme pressures that his family are/ would be placing on the Club. Apparently no one visited him in the first 10/11 days and also if anyone’s the hospital photos of the first 4/5 days no one else would have got any where near Trac because he was surrounded completely.

To not make changes ignores the fact that we are not getting any better. The Club cannot afford to play this way and continue to bore our fans. Your defence is one of the most listless options I have heard. Any real supporter can see the players are a shadow of themselves and new young ones are getting the skill and flair coached out of their game. Thats why we can’t provide a star or Xfactor with skill to win the close games. We don’t play natural football we play a contrived brand that resists individuals and their skills once the pressure is on to deliver.

He is too slow and will keep a young mid draftee off our list.

Go set up a Go Fund Me for Harley DD as in about 5 years you will have enough to recruit him. I am OS at the moment so will bring a few lazy pesos to kick it along!!

Well said.

If you didn’t suspect that Clarry had some issues this year on the field with fitness and injury you could easily fill the Carlton fitness job nowAndrew Russell has left. Please don’t play the innocent or naive it just isn’t smart!

Here here a few smart arses should look at themselves in the mirror for the cheap shots ( they have known all along his fitness and injury problems). Just remember not to look too long as the mirror might crack!!

“ bayside “ is nearer Cranbourne and to say Fitzroy or Moonee Ponds are “ all the way out” is as ridiculous as calling it a “hike”. Both those players have been recruited to the Club and won a flag so their domestic location is not the Clubs fault but their choice as we had Casey set up already. We all know that not all employees live adjacent to their work premises so let’s not overplay this. BTW do you think all the Hawks players are going to live in Dingley now once their cathedral is built. Not likely. We all know WCW and her views on Casey so she’ll always add her thrippence worth to this argument. Notice deafening silence also on this post other than Casey views!! Interesting !!

Let’s take each person one by one. Each are entitled to be judged as individuals. Not a couple. Perty gets a good tick All that he has said ( except the base and we know the progress on that is not our fault. ) The flag and 5 plus seasons of improvement and consolidation, our membership plus the financial situation never been near what we are in finances are pluses. Kate has seemed of the last 1/2/3 years to be accepting of our fall backwards on the field and is unabashedly a Goody supporter. This is now a true test for her and the FD plus coaches plus Board on how they handle the strategy of our present situation. Action and leadership is needed to stir the pot and revive our on field game plans and refresh the staleness in many on our list.

Turner Jefferson makes. 9 !! Do you think gaining players is like picking apples from a tree? Really so much like a buffet?

But it’s not winning. Please don’t embarrass JL or Chris S. The coaching would be totally different and more successful as it would not suck the life blood out of any positive moves to kick goals or win a game from the centre to goals. Players are confused bewildered and hesitant about how to operate a forward line and have been for 3 years trying to win games that are being saved with no real system to fall back on. Basically all natural instincts at times are the best moves like Kossies but so few forwards are in the right frame of mind to let that happen. Time for Stafford to go and Goody to alter his mantra or we will slowly wither our young players with fear even more than now. We are afraid to take the game on for fear of losing it!!

Really what are you on about? Nothing has been said or intimated of any link whatsoever. Are you just being mischievous or can’t stand the silence about our two champs. Trac is going through a tough time and his family have ( in supportive ways as his ethnics would demand) are having to deal with a very sad and long recovery from a dangerous accident on the field. Clarry is really struggling fitness wise but trying to be the best he can at this stage of the season. A forward pocket /half forward flank with cameo role on the ball is what Goody should do on the field to make best use of his ability at this stage for the team and himself. Are you happy or can you see a real link in my summary? Hope not because none exists and why should it?

You are not understanding the difference of what other Clubs are looking for. I love Christian and he is so dilky skilled but he is not going to attract trade bdd as it with his. Injury record at his age. He is one of our heart and soul players and truly loves the Dees. But Bowey for eg would be a better pick up for a Club due to his age and career life, I wasn’t being him disrespectful to Salo but circumstances change needs

Really El Diablo you have really just rattled on tracing over all that led to Jacko leaving us. Seriously nothing you have said has made the Jacko situation any different to how it occurred. You don’t appear to have it correctly any way. The fact was that when Jacko accepted a ONE year extend he refused a two year offer. The world knows that and many Dees fans thought this as a possible Red flag then. Fact proved. Secondly he was not interested in leaving in 2022 after the Flag as he had signed for the extra year. He was never interested in West Coast so matter closed. Dribble talk now really. So your post about this Jacko leave 2 years on is nothing new and repetitive. Of course we miss him now that he as we all knew would be a very good to great player but your repost is basically irrelevant about then and now.

I am only suggesting now that he is totally exhausted and tired Goody should be looking to get more out of him rather than play him as much on the ball. Post him at half forward or pocket and run him on brief cameos on the ball to get a full game out of him. Next year should after a full pre season should be different hopefully for Clarry.

Agree and see my post on the Goody forum for a similar post different but same message and fears for the Club if no CHANGE

That’s your assessment of the situation based on what, The bonus contracts that have secured most of our stars and players recently. You are stating we have very limited left now to pay any new players say next year or can’t recruit an A grade mid next season. How many of our players are not going to be retained or are to retire ? Others to be delisted ? AND extra in the total to pay is how much.? Also most of our players are retained and Angus payment is not affecting our Cash for playing players. We have not found this situation before and it isn’t likely that it’s the case. It’s just your opinion on the list payment situation. Id be interested in sny other D/Lers opinion on this matter as I believe we are mostly very balanced in this aspect of the Club. Opinions??

That's the benefit of a CHANGE St…d. Really Thsts what’s required whether it’s Goody infuced( which Ivfear won’t happen) or selected assistants that power the arguments for necessary and positive moves in game plans, recruiting certain types for a new game plan and making the Club look invigorated. And futuristic to today’s football. We are in a rut. Mini can’t change anything majorly if Stafford ( how can he survive again please no move him on). At this stage WCW is rolling her eyes and saying how disloyal.! BUT footy clubs have to evolve and new personnel are essential. Our game plan is still defence and contest but offence and challenge need to be added. If the forces that set the FD and Coach don’t realise this ( with JT and TL) recruiting along skill and running advantages we will not make pace and simply drop each year yo the bottom again Snd heaven help us if thst happens. Look at the topic on where were you and see the sample of priorities of at least 10,000 fans from 6 weeks ago when we had 32,000 vs the Coasters, . Down to 16/17,000 in a month. If that’s sticking as a fan through thick and thin then please don’t sign up and desert the Club because of a 92 pt thrashing after 7 years from 2017 where increases and due to our 2021 flag many new members. Can I suggest that parents generally don’t abandon their child’s sport each week unless it’s a real drama to continue. No it’s not all parents etc but some other fans as well who have obviously cruised with the good times and success we only dreamed of and after a couple of shockers ( don’t worry about 3 games decided by less than a goal to the 2nd, Fourth and Fifth teams that we were brave and just don’t take our chances. Why because we are not trained to take chances in our game plans. We are engrained in saving goals snd not kicking them. Our forwards don’t know how to win close games as the brain is not non change from defence to attack. It has not helped that Trac Clarry and Gawny have not been available or this season not fit enough to have a major influence on the play. Goody again could use Clarry more up forward cut out the gut running with very limited bursts on the ball. Give Laurie and Kynan an opportunity. McVee also. Will Spsrrow be any better for at last being dropped? Let’s see. i did about 2 mths ago that Goody needed to be creative but look at his abysmal Sub selections and minimal usage. Really Disco a sub? Yes if he gets a half up forward or down back but not a 10 minute lick of the ice cream when it’s far too late!! So the Club have got to move heaven and earth to move on from 2021 no matter how we feel. Thats why in 2/3 short years the Tigers have degenerated so quickly. Felt that 2017 was going to kick in again in 2021/2 and3. CHANGE that word and Goody will need to if not in 12 mths we will not have breathed a new style or outlook so necessary to 2024/5 success . the longer its delayed the harder for the Club in the long run and our last decade of progress will be under serious threat at this time. Sorry to be so Goody oriented but it is the major issue in change and the Board are unlike y to make a major move in view of his success. Chris Scott finally worked out about change and hit a flag. Cats fans should be grateful that after 7/8 years he did. We need much more immediate impact now either in house or starting from the fence to the backyard. It’s not saying failure but just evolving in time that change is necessary. Accepting it is hard but totally necessary to have the effect on our next 4/5 years if we are to utilise all our long term stars extensions.

This half back fiasco is not our real problem . Our defence can change a game style with running half backs etc. Its our forward line and game.plan and personnel. . Why do other teams have automatic connection and we make it look like it’s an early 30’s tram.