YesitwasaWin4theAges

2 hours ago, Age said:

My positive from yesterday was Wagner having a go at Lewis in the last quarter after Roughead had been passed a ball from the pocket to about 20m directly in front. Wagner was seemingly telling him he should have been there in that space. Lewis seemed to have said something back but Wagner kept at him. Maybe he has some leadership qualities, I wonder about those of Lewis...

Thank [censored] some has told him.

12 hours ago, zeldacat said:

It's one thing to put in a pitiful performance but to turn around at the end of the game and have a chit chat and carry on and a bum tap with players for the opposition who have just pulled your pants down....again....for the last 10yrs..is a disgrace. Get off the ground and sort out this [censored] with your teammates and coaches and fair dinkum don't hold back with your honesty and disgust with each other.  This is [censored]. Enough of these insipid games.

who were the bum tapping and giggling culprits?

let us know of any more psychic moments you have that are bad like yesterday, so we don't have to watch it.

21 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I wish to bring this issue up as a point of discussion even though I'm aware that many posters are talking about it in other threads.

Our two major problem areas are clearly our inability to convert inside 50's into genuine scoring opportunities and our inability to limit the opposition scoring when they enter their forward 50. 

For the former, the answer is seemingly more clear cut. We clearly lack players who possess high enough levels of composure, foot skills and smarts. Evidenced time and time again by our players entering the forward 50 with almost no care for what the outcome will be. Be it quick scrap kicks from stoppages from players like Petracca yesterday or pointless torpedos to a forward line that contains one key position height forward. This is not okay. I don't for one second believe that Goodwin has instructed our players to kick the ball aimlessly into our 50 in the hope that our crumbers will score from that type of play every single time. It is simply unsustainable and amatuer. There are so so many times I can see clear space for our players to kick into to the advantage of our forwards, but they simply don't. This issue hasn't been addressed at all since the beginning of the season. I believe it's a player issue and Goodwin must now either play two key talls in our forward line or send a heavy message to those who continue to move the ball into our forward line with no system to their thought. It's putrid.

The latter/second point that is less clear cut to me is the way we setup as a defensive back six. In my opinion, the aggressive zone that Goodwin has implemented is in no way conducive to the type of backmen we have who are meant to be executing this type of setup. Is it not obvious that in order to successfully execute an aggressive zone defence, you need one of two strengths as a backline unit, preferably both. Kicking skills/composure and speed?

Playing in an aggressive zone means you're guarding space rather than standing side by side to your opponent. Which also means you need fleet footed individuals who can read the play and have quick reaction times. Aside from Hunt and Frost who both lack composure and foot-skills anyway, we have nobody else in that backline who is quick. In fact, Lewis, Vince, Oscar, Lever and Jetta are all slow with Hibberd being the only one whose pace is good.. Out of that group, I'd say Lewis, Vince, Oscar and Hibberd are generally solid users of the ball however, Lewis is the only player who more often than not shows composure and calmness. The rest of our backline group are far too inconsistent with the way they handle pressure situations. (Although Lewis didn't exactly set the world on fire in that regard yesterday.)

Take spoiling as an example. Does anyone believe that Goodwin instructs 3 or 4 players to go up in a contest, all with the intention of spoiling the same ball whilst their opponents run amok once the ball hits the deck? How many times do we see opposition sides score easy goals because of this? That's only one example. But it is directly related to this defensive zone that we play. If our players don't have direct opponents as such, then your backline group need to have the utmost trust, composure and decision making skills in each other to know when to fly, or when not to etc.

I believe Goodwin needs to show some maturity and an ability to change when something isn't working and in my opinion, I'd love to see us fall back and play a much less aggressive type of zone that suits players like Oscar, who I must admit was really good yesterday. He is a one-on-one defender. Not a zone playing key position defender. Lever would benefit from a tighter playing backline group, go and look at how Adelaide play and why he was so good for them. Lewis, Vince and Jetta would all benefit from playing closer to their opponents due to their lack of speed.

I can't understand it and I really hope Goody can show some humility just like Hardwick did last year and rejig the backline structure. It's okay to be wrong as a coach.

As upset as I am with yesterday, I still hold hope that this group will click.

I'm certainly beginning to question some of Goodwin's plans though.

Thoughts?

The loss has affected you greatly Steve? Great piece mate, if only our team cared just as much.?

3 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

There was nothing positive about todays performance. I'm talking about the future we won't play Richmond at a better time and we have Tyson and Hannan to come back in and Pedersen, Hunt and Stretch played well for Casey. We also have T.McDonald and Viney to come back in soon.

A world of Hurt is all I see.

Who's pleasuring you werridee? There was absolutely nothing to be positive about today. If you think there was you need help bud. 

Our defensive structures are non existant without a shadow of a doubt, yes.

How hard is it in a 3 on 2 defensive situation to have 2 players spoiling the ball and 1 player stay down with the player at the back?

But no our stupid lot go 3 up and completely miss the ball and Smith kicks an easy goal.

Do you know what I mean? happened on at least 3 or 4 other occasions as well.

FML.

You know what the problem is we have no Game changing pace in our side. Richmond have it in spades in the fwd line and Midfield line. Plus we have shocking foot skills we'll get mauled by those counts.

It could get very nasty next Tuesday Night.

3 hours ago, chook fowler said:

In Hunt, Hannan, Tyson, Stretch and Pederson

Out. Bugg, Harmes, Wagner, Garlett, Melksham.

Lewis - you’re next.

Lewis - why not dropped against tigers he's not a leaders ring hole.

21 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Not a good summary

that's the problem with this club

Goodwin- What a mistake

Lewis- [censored] him off

ANB- Not good enough

Lever- waste of money

Harmes- Not good enough

COACHING staff- what's their purpose

Gawn- Down Hawthorn Throats

MFC- Dumb as [censored]

Roosy- Bring him back

Garlett- like a [censored]

Fristch- alot to learn

Jones- Went missing today

Petracca- no [censored] composure 

Oliver- got totally bullied 

Wagner- What's his purpose

Milkshake- AFLX rules Specialist

Bugg- deadset list clogger

Misson- Part of Problem

Frost- lost me today

Salem- Our shining light

Hoags- went missing sadly

Oscar- rabbit in headlights

Hibbo- blazing away hopelessly

Jetta- bad day today

Vince- Him over Lewis

Kent- our only fwd

Brayshaw- never stopped trying

You want money for [censored] memberships well your not getting a cent from me. Absolute [censored] [censored]

he's a dud 

Lewis can go and get [censored] too.

Lewis can go and get [censored] too.

Dave Misson anyone? I'm about to load up here. Goodwin another liability. Deebarcle.

every lose ball and every long kick straight to these [censored]

pathetic [censored] fuckn pretenders [censored] this crap

he's [censored] liability

why are we so dumb

3 hours ago, binman said:

Channel 7 must be so pleased they used their influence to give carlton another fta night game.

What a bunch of imbacilic [censored] wits channel 7 and the AFL are, handing that undeserving basket case of a club 6 Friday night marquee games and fta time slots without even deserving of them through game performances.

Where is the football integrity inside the AFL? Nowhere it doesn't exist, I hope the media really gets stuck into Carlton, channel 7 and the AFL this week.

Pisses me right off as to how you can possibly watch crap like that on a Saturday night.

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Josh Jenkins is worse.  The biggest front running forward in footy.  The moment the game is on the line he goes to water.  

800k a year massive spud, gonna struggle big style to keep Lynch in their pay structure.

???

3 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Get a grip?

Are you serious?