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oliver for me

This is a silly comparison. Everyone loves Oliver and his consistency, drive, workmate etc. Hogan is a very polarising player because he severely lacks in the areas that Oliver excels in. It's like you're one of those supporters that thinks all of our players are AA. Hogan needs to seriously lift in order to help our team, otherwise I'm happy to go with Mcdonald and Weideman and play with spirit and all of the other intangibles.

This thread proves that many dees fans can't stand Hogans lack of defensive pressure and intensity. I'd throw in goal kicking too. but that's a story for another day. As supporters we all want us to win, so there is no agenda for not liking Hogan. So its purely his output on the field that isn't good enough in many supporters' eyes. And that's fact.

lol nah jason taylor and josh mahoney know what they are doing. It's funny how everyone thought we got ripped off by only getting pick 31 for watts. Looking back, Port adelaide got ripped off and we got pick 31 (Fritsch)

oh. my bad! i feel like everyone is against my point of view but at the end of the day I didn't start this thread and there are clearly many people that are a bit over the hogan fanfare.

Are you even looking at those team. Gold coast twice, dogs, free, stkilda twice, carlton..? wow. I could kick a bag against some of those teams. Do it when it counts. Hogan turns to water when things get tough because he is mentally weak and thats why he has failed time and time again against the good teams. I have no personal reason to not like Hogan. I like a stack of melbourne players but one thing i can't stand is slackness and lack of work rate.

Just putting up an argument to fit your point. Melbourne had some great wins last year without Hogan also. It's not just this year. Hogan's 1 on 1 contested work isn't anywhere near where it used to be. He falls to the ground too easily, plays for frees far too much and wrestles with players he doesn't need to. Mentioning Viney alongside Hogan is embarrassing. Viney gives 100% each week. Hogan fluffs around acting tough and whining and staging. Sure he kicks enough goals, due to our high inside 50s, but I'm sorry sometimes goals alone aren't enough. You need defensive pressure in this day and age. Just look at buddy franklin and the way he chases out of D50. or Josh kennedy. Hogan is often still whingeing when the ball is in his area and that's a disgrace. I don't give too much credence to people's knowledge of footy on this board. I wanted to get rid of Watts 5 years ago and predicted that he wouldn't play well and that our pick 31 would be a better player. People like you probably wanted him to stay. I was the one wanting Frost and Harmes in the team from day dot. I was the first one to question Petracca's kicking when everyone else was still star struck by his draft position. I've got so many runs on the board. And yes, I would prefer to have guys like Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch etc. than anyone who doesn't give 100%. One thing I got wrong is that I thought we would miss finals. The only thing i'm happy to be wrong about!

Couldn't find it on the last 2 pages but all i know is that he has kicked 4 or 5 goals from 5 games against top 8 teams. So I don't care what analysis is provided. The reason richmond are the best team is because they have 22 guys cracking in. Hogan doesn't.

I think you're missing the point and all people that mention he kicks 50 goals etc. are only mentioning half of the picture. Hogan's defensive pressure, 2nd efforts etc. can be disgraceful at times and his poor attitude on field can be a culture killer. Also, his kicking for goal lets us down quite a bit against the good teams. Ultimately, people can't deny that Melbourne has played with real spirit the last 2 weeks without Hogan. Losing Lever was a loss, losing Hogan wasn't a loss and was actually a gain and I called it early. You can't place a value on attitude, intensity and effort and hogan needs to really lift.

Guys, my question didn't get answered through the barrage of anger. Do general admission tickets get released at 2pm?

General admission tickets aren't released til 2pm right?

i love his athleticism. just needs to get his kicking more consistent but his form is another reason that i wanted hogan out of the team. i want hungry, desperate players and thelast 2 weeks shows the culture of all 22 applying defensive pressure.

Original poster, why don't you actually say who would come out of the team of the week. I seriously hate it when people go 'oh why wasn't Joe Blogs in the AA team' and then not even mention who they would replace. Simpletons

lol. It actually crossed my mind too! Usually when you go to perth you expect to get mauled by the umpires and not only did we break even we got the better end of the bargain. Except for the vandenberg decision which was a direct goal. Nonetheless, I don't care. The umpiring in the Port game was an absolute disgrace and cost us 4 points so we deserve all the bad decisions going our way.

i couldn't make sense of any of the opening post. gerard whately is good..he speaks with reason and logic. in todays media when you have bogans galore in dermie, frawley, dunstall, robinson etc.its good to have someone who has some brains for once.

I can live with scully leaving because it was pure money but I don't know why for the life of me we traded stef martin? He was always going to become elite. He was elite when given opportunity to ruck solo. He should have been prioritised over jolly/jamar or anyone else that was the reason we traded him out.

they go to Adelaide for lever anyway...

losing hogan is no loss. probably play with real spirit now without having the staging sook inside 50m

respectfully disagree. that second quarter was a disgrace. The lack of defensive pressure was embarassing and a clear attitude issue. The number of uncontested marks for the swans just highlighted that we were definitely not cracking in and definitely not respecting the occasion.

if we do keep him i think we need to see him as just the player he is. a good average player.

its all the defensive pressure. it was a training drill for the swans. far too many loose men. i'm not going to listen to any dribble that comes out of goodwins mouth for the next 6 months as he talks about the same old cliches. i'm sick of it. i want wins. and i want heart. so much for learning from last years lessons

lol comparing hogan to neitz. neitz was all heart. and 5 times the player

Ferrari? we haven't made finals for 12 years lol. gws are a top 4 and probably a top 2 team

honestly, i dont care. we didnt deserve to win today. our kicking was atrocious

the only noise they'll be making is cracking open some tinnies watching the finals from the couch