Previously known as LITD.

Umm, I don't subscribe any religions , (I guess footy counts ) especially paganism or Tom Cruise, but I have no understanding what your post means. In the immortal words our orange equivalent to Trump, " please explain".

And an understanding of irony for yourself . If you don't find that remotely amusing you should ask Santa for one for you. Saw it on a bumper sticker the other day and had a good guffaw. I mean come on...... how often to you see a picture of Jesus giving people the finger? I wasn't giving it to you just posting something similar to what I saw. I really think you could use a good chuckle and Im genuinely not having a crack at you. People do get stressed this time of year. It wasn't posted in hostility and neither is this. Merry Festivus.

Then call it Clausmass and...... Get your own f#$@&n holiday.

Sorry guys I just checked and this has been mentioned on the main injury list. He hasn't done both feet. I was hoping to see him play in the midfield or the fwd line now and then. As a mid, he would get a few head, high tackle frees.

Sorry to be the bearer of this very bad news but poor Bowser has another injury. This one more dramatic than his shoulder. It's a worry. Melbourne young gun Jake Bowey ruled out for six months in shattering blow | 7NEWS https://share.google/uHPJXZk2Fl8eIL9z0

Santa is not real. Bah and Humbug to you. He is too . It's just unfortunate he supports the Swans. No soup for you.

Probably no flag in 21 without him but things unfortunately changed quickly. Too many distractions. The club has done the right thing and it's nice to see most wish him the best.

Happy to see Petty in the backline. There is a team of quite a few older players.

I don't want to have a dig at Goody. He's moved on and we must respect him for what he did. But I don't think making changes on the fly so to speak was one of his strengths. Sometimes he was painfully slow or did nothing at all. Of course he should have checked in here on game day every 2 or 3 hours to sharpen his skills and make the 1000 recommended moves. But in all fairness, he did make changes but often the game was done and dusted when he did. That and things like always playing Petty out of position were his only real negatives. But sometimes his stubborness or persistence paid off. He achieved the ultimate in shaking off entrenched attitudes and an almost real voodoo and bought home the bacon. He's made a distinct place for himself in the annals ( careful) of AFL history. Thanks Simon.

Tx TEIN. Your absolutely correct. My apologies and yep accuracy is important.( Look at our goal kicking). In my weak defence, I think in my mind I had a figure of quite a few players contributing that year. With quite a few around the 20 odd goals or more. It seemed that way for a few years. So I just picked randomly 25 a piece and hence 50. Not far off as you mentioned 2018. But for 2021, yea it was lazy and sloppy so sorry. But aside from KP who has been our real only live wire small fwd ( Anb dropped off before he left) we have desperately missed these two as contributing in this area the last few years. Though not a small, even Harmes used to chip in and slot a few In a team that has lost its ability to kick winning scores via lack of successful tall forwards ...Fritta a medium in and out of form ....Petty, just not a fwd......Tmac previously incredibly accurate and prolific pre 21 ( although his first half of 21 set us up nicely)....the departure of Smith, Bbb , Grundy and Jackson.....we miss those 20 something contributors. So I'm very happy about this draft. But thanks for the correction it's important. ( No sarcasm here). I was a decent way off. Cheers TEIN. I'm starting to believe that we may go much better next year. I think with a new coach and a decent amount of new blood, we are looking more promising with the continuation of some of the younger blokes . This includes and I know peeps will howl me down .....even Jefferson who needs to get over his big league anxiety. He has all the tricks and body. Not sure about Roo but he definitely needs to stop being used as a centre ruck if he's ever going to make it. It's not fair. And for the love of all things holy play Petty where he belongs. Hopefully King will see reason as opposed to our prior premiership coach. There is still some pruning that's was sadly missed and it's baffling May went before some blatantly obvious others but I won't go there. Also without being too negative, I think we have at least cleared out the players that may have been a decent distraction and deflating influence on morale and motivation. So in a final very positive note, it's onwards and upwards for the MFC next year to finish seventh by %. And then of course get knocked out by the new wildcard system. Id bet my house on it .....except then we would of course , win. Oh the horror. Back to the Ashes...... Edit....did 2021 really happen? One day there will be a cure for Mfcss. Three aspirin and three cups in a row. Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

Without Spargo and Anb who in 21 managed around 50 goals together , we certainly could use another small fwd capable of kicking a few. Good work.

Promising pick. Look forward to seeing him play. Good stuff MFC.

Na....could never forget them and their dirty play in 2000. Plus a few other things I won't mention for legal reasons. It's hard to pinpoint why you hate some teams. Sometimes it's their fans but usually because they have Muppets like Maynard playing for them.

I think with an aging Viney we are definitely going to need someone in the middle apart from Max to show some passion and courage. So I definitely agree with you here. But sometimes the best leadership is just getting the ball from a contested battle in the middle, spinning out of trouble ...taking a few bounces and driving in deep into the fwd line for someone to mark and goal. J S is a fighter and a lot of his disposals have been fought for but he's definitely slowing down. Mids to it tough. There shelf life isn't so long. Playing time and hits take their toll and a 30 y.o. mid is probably the same footy age as a 24 y.o half back. Before someone points out Dangers stellar effort in a final this year......look how he played the week after. At 30 Jack S will struggle but he will certainly give his all. He's like the other Jack mentioned in this post ......one tough cookie. So we will see. He hasn't had too many injuries at least

I think there's a fair bit of tall poppy in there but that's the way it goes in AFL.

I have a soft spot for North so yup And I liked the dogs when they were under. Other than that it's hard to like any interstate teams other than the giants and GCS. And pretty much the rest of the Vic clubs suck. In order of Vic clubs hatred..... Cwood.. A few million miles... Cats.... Hawks.. Dons.. Carlton... Richmond. ( Actually don't mind em,,). We should do a vote but I know the pies win.

I watched a quite a few Saints games the last few years as they're my second team. But not enough to dismiss this so perhaps you are correct. Thanks. Didn't really consider this a great deal.

Cheers Brenno. He has playerd around 20 games a season for his last nine out of 11. So his game time has barely changed in every last nine seasons. At his peak at age 25/26 the same for most mids...( Mids have the shortest shelf life following by wingers...fwds, then defenders) he had 30 disposals. For the last five years, this has decreased by around two per year, to last year's tally of only 20 disposals. And he wasn't played in any fwd capacity. He did wander down back occasionally in the games I've watched. So his last season at 29 years of age he only had 20 touches per game of 22 for the whole year. Id say that's a decline for sure and not the number you want from a mid. As mentioned I'll pay his use of the pill is well above average but he has to get it much more. That is my concern and I'm not making those stats up. Interesting his marking and tackling has remained constant but his goal kicking has dropped in the same period from one in 2 games to one in 5 games. The latter isn't really important but with our fwd line it would be obviously more beneficial to have a mid help our %.. But as the dear departed great Ron Barassi would say........give me possessions. So where am I really wrong on calling this out as not a stellar pick up re age and clear decline in numbers? Not trying to be argumentative and appreciate a response but what am I missing? Your not the only one to defend this trade. But surely those disposals are rookie numbers or a defenders....not a mid. An it's the pattern that seals it because it's a clear linear loss by two touches a season....5 in a row. On this trajectory it will be 18.1 in 2026. And he's had a fair run regarding injuries and so forth. Genuinely stumped. Tx anyway.

As stated I genuinely hope I'm wrong. He could be more handy in a fwd role than a full time mid. His experience isn't questioned nor his elite use of the ball The issue is his age. Mids decline from 27 onwards despite the odd exception. His disposals, marks and goals have declined each year for the last four. That should raise some flags. I'm glad his tackling is still strong.....a good example to the others. And while we have gaps in our midfield I just don't believe he's a good answer. Maybe as a swing mid. He's slowed down a bit. If under a new coach and in a new team we can capture something close to his peak form then great. I have been a big fan of his but his form has dropped a lot. I know because I've watched quite a few Sainters games. Maybe his leadership is needed but we need ball winners first. And I'm happy to admit when he does get the pill, his use of it is very good. Again the issue is in the drop of disposals. This might not be age. It could be injury or dissatisfaction at his club. Who knows. But one can only go by stats. Please explain where I'm wrong on this as I have had some negative responses and I'm genuinely open to and keen to see why I'm wrong. Cheers.

We better be paying him Didley because he's 30 before next season starts and a quick perusal of his stats, show a nice clear and concise linear decline in all fields. I think especially for a mid ...25 is the prime so there's that. It's got a fair bit of the Billings about it but I really, really hope I'm wrong. Stats though, don't usually lie.

No need to see it as grovelling GW. I know you said in tongue in cheek but you definitely make some worthy points. Theat are part of the MFC and deserve more support. I'm sure they put in just as much effort as the fellas. Probably more so as they probably have to overcome bias. I've watched a few games since my daughter was in a relationship wth an Aflw player from sadly a different club. Ive enjoyed and appreciated the skills level from the get go. There is no way in my prime as a mediocre player I could kick the ball as far and as accurate as some of these players. It's worth tuning in if one hasn't already so good thread.

Someone has clearly knocked off his dictionary set from E onwards. Go fund him? I said fund. It's approaching Christmas.

No... simply because like years gone by you've already put in the hard yards to finish in seven and eight and like the teams above you don't need further testing. I mean one could argue for further $ that Fifth has to play 11th just because. Why are the two bottom final two only tested. It just means they are more fatigued, have more suspended players and injuries. It effectively means finishing 7 and 8 under this scheme have fat chance of a flag. And the players are playing enough imho.