leave it to deever

Has he got Goodys dog?

Hes certainly not tracking the way most expected. Fifty games is starting to look like enough. At this stage Im leaning towards bb but sw deserves another game or two. Bb was unjustly dropped after three ...they didnt give him a fair run so lets at least give Sam a few more games

Played one poor game out of only three for the year and was dropped. Very impatient in view. Compare that to Melkshams record and constant selection.

Agreed. He was good in one game. Average in another and below standard in his third. You should not drop players after one bad game. Having said that the same argument could be used for sam w. He was ok in his first game. But agreed the club was way too hasty in dropping bb and did so in a juggling act. Perhaps sam should have come in first. Three games is alright to make a decision upon but not on the way bb played in all of his. He kicked five goals in two of them.

Petty has been good but he was well below average against the crows. But then again apart from Lever our defence was a shambles. Not unlike our forward line either.

Was Tmac played at Chf or ff against the crows? I think if sam is going to play ...tgan Tom goes ff. If bb then Tom at chf. Not sure if ff is Sam ws best position. For his size he seems out muscled too easy. Maybe he needs more strength in his legs and experience.

I think the fact we lost in such a cruel way shoukd give us extra motive to win. Also there would be more media pressure if we were going for another win in a row. Will be tough but I do think last weeks lost helps us in a strange fugazzi kind of way.

Thanks again CHF for another preview. Yes , I could not agree more. Its salt in the wound. I think we all know umpires get conned bt interstate fans and it will certainly happen again. A penalty system...ie suspendion for umps that make such huge clangers would be a real effort to make ammends.

Dont be sorry. You are probably correct. Im just guessing. Of course every team wants to knock the other off but there not all up to it. My theory was teams like north ..hawthorn....freo.. have sprinted out of the blocks ro take a scalp and have done alright for a while. One could argue we havent been slow but tge other teams have been faster. Other than that I guess we are asleep at the wheel. Why? Who could say. Maybe are mids are to blame and just not switched on. Do you have any reaaons why we have started slowly?

We are or were top dog. Teams are coming out totally fired up to knock us off. We take a while to readjust.

It must be probed I guess.

We had no choice with ben. Tmac was in terrible form for a long time. Sam w still hasnt really fired. And besides bb has only played three games. One of which was pretty good. Too early to call the bb a bad decision.

Outside of the costly free kick he was pinged for, i thought Max was better than his other prior two games. He was our leading marker which we were down in . Certainly a dozen others stunk it up before him. I think many of our players are tired. Teams have been throwing everything at us. We didnt play our best. Tough crowd. Salem and Viney out. But we still drew it or should have. It was dissappointing yea but for our only loss its not the worse especially due to the ump. At least now the pressure wont be as great against the dogs with the media putting all the eleven straight in a row hype on us. We are the underdogs.

This. Exactly. That effort isolated on its own was as deliberate as it gets even outside of the one point difference and twenty secs left. Vis a vis the other two calls AGAINST us and it makes it the howler of the year. Why did it happen? Constant, Screaming and Booing from crows fans. They do know how to intimidate. Wont be the last interstate game where umps have been conned. Noise cancelling head phones a must and good security for umps home safely.?

Fritta and Spargo wont be discussed for the same reasons as Hunt snd Petty you mentioned. Although Fritta and Hunt need a good serve. Melksham snd Jetta are must outs. Sam w is a hard one but Im inclined to go back to Bb. They seem even except Bb has kicked more goals per game and is more accurate. Not sure about the ins. Hopefully Salems up.

Targeting a groin would be a new level of low.

This bloke laid Zero tackles against crows. No way he deserves another game. Hes not so elite to not have to tackle. If a player was kicking four goals every week then maybe he gets a no tackle pass. Jake is not doing that. He cant be rewarded with another game if he simply wont tackle.

Frittas lack of pressure was shameful. Melkshams was even worse. Did not see him lay a tackle. That is not acceptable and if any body wears any blame and many do, I would start at the least tackling.

Interesting how many votes Salem has. No wonder we lost without him.

It was a shocking way to lose. No doubt about it. That umpire was incompetent. Thats a fact. Another fact is and more importantly, we played poorly. So many players did zip. Especially up forward. We missed Salem and May had a shocker. Even still off the boot of a few we were in a good position to win but squandered it so thats on us. The only positive is there is less pressure on us going agsinst the dogs. And I think also maybe solved the bb and sw issue.ie bb gets a nod.

Fqir point. Its not easy with such a one sided crowd. Very frustrating in such a clear case though but yea its not the first time an ump has been intimated by a crows crowd. Wont be the last. It was amplified by the inconsistancy as well as the time and score of the game. It determined the outcome. I wish there was a five min law where decisions were under scrutiny in the last five mins with a close score but alas I think it would be impossible to have We must make sure that for interstate games we have neutral umpires maybe this one was. Other than this not much can be done. We could always just play better and not squander a good lead in five minutes. I would like the Afl to look at the frees interstate clubs get at home grounds though.

Agreed. It was lazy not to appeal.

I always wondered why the crows and eagles fans booed so much. I guess if they can intimidate umpires they will keep on doing it. That umpire wasnt bold enough to call that deliberate. Its not easy to go against thirty thousand angry supporters. They boo because it clearly helps sway umpires. Sure worked last night.

True but now its done and dusted let the crows boo all the way to when they miss the finals. Its the only way they can win influencing easily swayed umps and why not....it works.

Was in the same mind set about losing Sam. But this year and next are the window for a flag with this group so lets not worry about him going. If bb gets us more goals at the expense of sam leaving then so be it. Maybe hes the player we hoped he be.