Jarka

Completely agree. Hopgood would be very, very lucky to be involved.

Completely agree. but for some reason Danners and his men reached god like status here on demonland.com. Even a wasted decade isn't enough proof that we were never going to be successful under their reign.

All very interesting but I wasn't the one labeling kids who are struggling to play consistent footy as being guns, or did you miss the part? Perhaps you just saw my name and didn't bother reading the content, already made your mind up on what I had to say? You've got your opinion and I'm happy to debate the issue with you, afterall this is a footy forum and the point is to debate the topics and issues of the day. If we all agreed with each other it would get pretty boring very quickly. Back to the topic...we have a list without a standout replacement for Neitz. Ditto in the ruck with Jeff White. We're also desperate for a CHF, and our two key defensive roles are currently filled by a couple of kids (in terms of playing experience). We have a midfield that is one paced, lacks genuine speed and a star to take the game by the scruff of the neck. We seriously lack leadership all around the ground. Now you may be happy with our current position, I probably have a different attitude though. But I'm amazed that you're willing to dismiss CAC's responsibility to our current plight considering he was in charge of recruiting for a decade and list management for the last 5. Was he soley responsible? Hell no, obviously. What I find amusing though is the way he is considered a god by so many here (yourself included?). I reckon all you have to do to please some of our members is to occasionally visit the board and post every six months or so. I guess some people are just easily pleased, good for you. Edit: to answer your questions look at the kangaroos. They have less than what we have, finances, training facilities etc. Look at what they've achieved compared to us, even this year. What you're saying is just an excuse, that's all. But if it where true then we might as well pack up and give up right now, because we will never be able to financially compete against the rest of the competition. I obviously prefer to aim my expectations higher than yourself, I'm just glad you're not in charge of the team because with an attitude liek yours we'd go absolutely no where. Thank god you've only got 50 posts, I reckon I'd be desperate to slash my wrists if I was forced to read any more.

I won't reply to everything because we could just go around in circles, I just wanted to point out that you've forgotten the year when we picked up Johnstone. We had pick 1 & 2, we traded 2 for White (who was a number 1 pick in his own right so no matter how you look at it it counts as 2 top 6 picks) so that makes 5 top 6 picks, TJ, White, McLean, Sylvia & Morton. So what was that again about being wrong? Try again....

There is a huge difference between being good and being a gun, or are you trying to backtrack? I wouldn't be surprised if you were. God I hope you're not saying Dunn is a gun footballer, he struggles to make an impact at Sandy and is just a few levels highr than hopeless with Melbourne.

Are you being serious??? Our record speaks for itself, I can't illustrate anything more than what history already tells us. We've had alot more top 6 picks than many other clubs, in fact the ones with recent success have had very few tops picks...Brisbane, Port, Sydney, W.C., Geelong. Sorry, that argument is just an excuse. rubbish, the business end of the ladder is the top 4. How many times did we finish in the top 4? *yawn* How many times have we heard this over the last decade? 'When blah blah blah finally matures we'll be a great team!' Don't hold your breath Which mature players are you referring to? (This should be good!) You say this like we have some control over our predicament. Wake up to the news, we are not good enough to tank. We are in this position because we have a poor list. We have huge holes in our list. We need to rebuild our list. There is a reason why we are clearly the worst team in the competition. (and it's not because we delisted the mature players) Edit: It's bloody hard replying to a post in that format, I've just lost half of my responses, but my basic response is that I'm not impressed by a mediocre teams that just scrapes into the finals just because half of the teams play them every year. If that's what your basing your argument on then you'll have to come up with better than that.

Do you agree with his list of guns?

Ok, ok, I tried to go fishing. If you want to create a thread like this and then not come up with the goods then good luck to you.

I think I may know where this is heading, are you referring to a takeover of sorts but more specifically the location of said person?

Mate, it's round 11 and we have one very lucky win on the board. At least let us get excitied about something before this dismal season ends, even if it doesn't actually happen.

Did I miss something?

Perhaps Daniher may have gotten more out of the list than Bailey this year, who knows. But Bailey is building a team for the future and a better culture, something that Daniher didn't do. I'm veyr happy with the change in coaching appointment, even though I wanted Sheedy.

You are 100% correct. However Chris Lamb, Luke Molan, Nick Smith and Lynden Dunn are all first round picks the CAC was responisble for. Frawley, Bell and Sylvia are also other first round picks headed in the same direction Yeah, gee thanks CAC for the list of absolute champions we currently have

Great, our team is full of guns, now all we have to do is to get off the bottom of the ladder DD, supporters have a right to make their own judegments on their team, especially when they spend thousands of dollars contributing to these people's salary. I just want to respond to some of your comments. 1. Our record in playing finals under CAC & Daniher - The best we did in finals was with a list that wasn't put together by CAC. In fact the majority of times we played finals we only managed to just scrape in and when half of the competition gets to play in September it's not really an indication of success. To get a good indication of the talent of the team over the last decade look at how well they performed in finals, not the games leading up to it. They tell a completely different story to the one that you're preaching. 2. a Decade is long enough to make a valid decision on a recruiter and list managers ability. To extend that for another 4 or 5 years is clutching at straws. 3. You've overused the phrase 'gun'. The reason why we're on the bottom of the ladder is because our list is deviod of guns, yet you think we have at least a dozen of them. 4. Our club receives negative comments because we've been an absolute failure of the last 44 years, over the last decade we've been mediocre - at best. 5. If Bell continues in the direction he's heading in this year he won't play many more games. This has easily been his worse year and I'm quite surprised someone as intelligent as yourself is unable to see it. 6. CAC started recruiting a decade ago, so his players have hit their mid 20's and gone past them. We're stuck on the bottom of the ladder. I'm confused with what your argument is and how you want us to judge CAC's performance.

You say that like it's illegal or something....

Out of interest why do you belive that he'll become a star? I hope that he does but up until now he hasn't shown anything to suggest that he'll be nothing more than handy. He hasn't demonstrated elite skills, one on one he has struggled, in fact Garland has overtaken him in terms of getting the big jobs. He seems to be ok as a rebounding hbf but his decsion skills aren't too flash either. I don't understand why some of us makes these outlandish comments, all it succeeds in doing is putting unreal expectations on kids who will probably end up being handy players.

Can't argue with that, but I'm sure others will find a way

Trading Rivers would definitely be a brave move, not sure if it would be smart one though. Rivers brings alot to the team, even when he doesn't play. His leadership and experience are invaluable to the other defenders, particularly important as we're rebuilding the defence and our future KPP's have only played a handful of games. It would have to be a great offer for me to be happy to trade him, absolute minimum would be a top 10 pick.

20 mins with no time on. A very short game indeed.

Claiming that any of Bartram's games this year have been 'sensational' are as ridiculous as writing him off at his early stage. I know I've been negative about him and suggesting that he's another version of Godfrey, but the one thing I missed in my positives is his age, he has time on his side to work on his weaknesses. However let's not get carried away with his performances this year, sure he held Mcleod to a dozen touches but the following week he only got 8 against the Eagles which would suggest that it is just as likely that the reason for the poor game against us was a form slump, not the absolute brilliance of Bartram's negating skills. Building Bartram up like that will only end up with one ending, and that's disappointment because he will never be a sensational player. Handy tagger possibly, he may even develop into a genuine midfielder in his own right, but please can we not overstate his performance. Claiming that someone has potential because Daniher played him alot is damning someone with faint praise, while I really don't see that Bailey has a choice, he has very few players capable of playing at AFL level to choose from.

Do you know what position he has at the club?

Negatives - Poor disposal, poor lateral vision, poor decision making under pressure, lacks explosive pace Positives - Has a dip, can run all day Just like Godfrey expect that at least Godders was strong and managed to put off his opponent by getting into his face all day. I was quite surprised by the hype of his first year, often I thought that it must have been a different player. To me Valenti shows much more footy nous and awareness.

Twins with the same first name? Reminds of a show that was on years ago... "This is my brother Daryl, and my other brother Daryl..."

2006, rounds 9 & 10

Great interview, thanks for that. 'In nine seasons you played in seven Grand Finals. Bobby Skilton played in only one final in his whole career. Did you take it for granted at all?' That's an amazing hit rate for playing in GF's.