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Lots of player, umpiring and coaching reasons we lost so many games this year. But above all we lost most games because we cannot kick straight in front of goal. This is yet another game we have had more shots on goal than the opposition. In all our losses it has been the same - more points than goals. The saints 21/7 to 7/21 was the most obvious but against the pies losing by a point kicking 10/11 to 11/6 the most costly.

It's a double negative. for every side that has 200+ forwards you need 200+ defenders - Andrews, Moore, Lobb and Mac Andrew(that really hurts) Secondly it makes it harder for Kentfield, JVR and Jeffo when they dont have that other tall forward Miss AMW against the likes of Butler.

Yeah simply because we don't have any 200 cm+ alternatives. It's ridiculous.

Yes you might be right. You can't blame Salem if that is what he is told to do. McVee seemed to be a run on player last year but not this year so maybe it is an instruction with only Bowey allowed to run on. Seems crazy to me as all the better sides create run and carry off half back to break lines and give forwards one on one opportunities

Yeah even when he gets it a bit doesn't provide any run, McVee is even worse Metres gained per possession last game. McVee 8 Salem 11 Lever 15 Turner 17 May 17 Bowey 20

Be interesting changing the rucks at full forward as Dons did a bit last year. Big gulf between top 8 and bottom 8 - over last 5 rounds top 8 30 wins and 10 losses. Bottom 8 the exact opposite.

Yes really miss AMW as a small aggressive defender to take those types

I don't understand why he doesn't show some desperation. There were times where he could have impacted, he just strolled around the contest. He has to have been told that it is a weakness in his game.

You are right there are plenty of good key forwards under 200 but most are accompanied by one or more over or there abouts Collingwood is an odd one out but they occasionally use Cox 211 as a forward Brisbane Hipwood 204 Crows Tilthorpe 201 Geelong Meale 203 Hawks Chol 200 Freo Jackson 200 Dogs Darcy 208 Suns Read 202 King 202 Giants Tallest is Riccardi 198 Port Marshall 198 although Whitlock is being groomed at 202 Carlton McKay 200 Young 202 Swans Ladham 202 but usually McLean 197 is tallest Essendon Wright 203 Saints King 202 North Larkey 198 Richmong Lynch 199 West Coast J. Williams 198 Probably more important to have a key defender at that height.

Hope he goes well. Other sides have at least 6 200cm plus on their lists we only have two and they are old with only a couple of years left.

Windsor has lost all confidence and couldn't get a kick at Casey so no point bringing him in. I'd like to see Kentfield played on a wing in the same way most sides have a tall wing who drifts forward for goals. He is mobile and athletic. JVR/Johnson for Petty. TMac for Howes - should never have been dropped No point looking at casey for replacement midfielder for Viney if suspended. The best Casey midfielders were casey players. Probably use Langdon as the extra mid. Wouldn't mind Culley as the sub. We've got to get some more hardness. That first quarter was embarrassing. When we ramped up the pressure we won the last 3/4's.

I've liked what i've seen in the VFL games. He's always been the 3rd tall either forward or back, so you don't get the bulk of the possessions. I don't believe he is tall enough for a key position but because he is so mobile, takes a good mark and is a good kick, I'd like to see him as a tall wingman that most sides now invest in. If we go down that track he is the most eligible on our list to do it other than Langford who will put on size and become an important midfielder. A tall wingman who drifts forward to take a mark and kick a goal would be very valuable. It was strange we had 9 talls in the VFL on the weekend (without Johnson) and only 5 in the main side. It says a lot about the 9 either not tall enough or not good enough. Gold coast had 4 over 200cm.

Like the fact he gets a lot of the ball. Something we have a lack of.

How can you win when the opposition have 3 or 4 players getting around 30 touches each week when only Oliver looks like getting around that on a regular basis. All our midfield can get that many, but only once or twice a year. Most of them struggle to get 20. What happened to the string of handballs and run instead of dumping it long.

I doubt anyone would be looking at dropping any of the collingwood forward line but we want to drop all of ours when you read the comments. When you look at he stats, our forwards did as well or better than theirs. Its just that we kicked too many points, and their players upfield deliver the ball better. Disposal count Elliot 7 McStay 6 Membrey13 Hill 10 Mihocek 6 McCreery17 Fritsch 17 Melksham 8 Petty 9 Pickett15 Tholstrup 9 JVR 8 Sparrow 15

Jefferson and JVR have been playing together in the VFL for a few weeks now, so there must be some sort of chemistry amongst them, so I'd like to see them both come in, Petty to CHB and Lever back to the VFL for a while. Not likely to happen but who knows. Either TMac or JVR have to come in to do the relieving ruck work.

If he hasn't played for 3 years, it makes him eligible for Category B so maybe. Too small for a ruckman so would have to be a key position player, or 3rd tall. Being 196 in basketball in the US means he would be giving away 4 inches to most opponents and considered comparatively small, which means he must be quick and agile. Both Max and Tracc came from basketball backgrounds. Having said that, our last 2 Cat B ex basketballers didn't work out - had all the skill but couldn't get the ball.

Sad that he is still getting concussion symptons whilst training 3 weeks after the event. Wish him the best.

Did Viney do much in the forward line area

A good choice if Salem goes down with injury. But next year he competes with AMW who seems to be ahead of him in the pecking order

Last week he ran at pace and picked up the ball one handed, ran through hawk defenders and kicked the goal

Viney in and play deep defensive forward - has the body to block for petty , melksham and johnson and can kick a goal. Backmen would be looking over their shoulder. Need Johnson in that second ruck role not only for tap but aggression around stoppages, and he's not slow like JVR. Keep Sharp ahead of Spargo - taller, can kick further than 30 metres, has pace, and actually kicks the occasional goal that Spargo does not. Not sure what to do about Lever - all defenders going well and we already have 7 who offer different things (Salem, windsor, McVee, Bowey, May, TMac, Turner) 8 if you count Rivers occasionally. Turner makes the others better because he can play tall, great closing speed and is physical We also need him to have continuity in defence as TMac probably retires next year and May won't go on much longer.

I agree but they also have a number of 200+cm players. We just have Max. Collingwood Moore Frampton Cox Cameron Brisbane Hipwood Andrews Fort McInerney They also have some taller midfielders such as Berry Pendlebury

It's a much bigger midfield Oliver, Rivers, Langford , Petracca (perhaps McVee) all 188 or more. Sparrow 183 and Picket 171 Even the forward line is taller despite losing Petty. 3 talls if Turner goes forward. (lots of crumbing for spargo, pickett and chandler)

I have no preference for Johnson who has more aggression but is short for key position, or Jefferson who has more skill and an extra inch. It's a toss of a coin as to which one would do better this week, and that difference is not going to decide the game. We are not going to win a flag this year and we need to get games into Jefferson at some time.