Hawk the Demon

AGM is on Monday, 20 February 2023 at the Olympic Room, MCG at 6.30 pm.

No question about that. Tick, tick, and another tick. Well done Football Department. Now, MFC Facilities Working Group, back to those meetings with Government?

Sheesh. So the next Strategic Plan we receive from the Board and Management we should regard as a 'North Star' statement, a far-off objective - no accountability (or at least an explanantion) for its non-implementation?

Strategic Plan 2020-2023 'The new Melbourne Football Club home will be created. We will unite administration and the football department into the one facility for the first time in recent history. This facility will be constructed near the MCG, our spiritual home, our home ground. A social club will be established to enhance the match day experience and provide a formal place for our club functions and events.' 'Commence construction on new Melbourne home base facility'

CP5 is indeed doing 'leadership things'. Encouraging extra off-season sessions, etc....

I understand David Watts moved up to Queensalnd in 2021.

Dave Regan

Replacement of someone who has left - a bigger and better job in the USA apparently....

Apologies for the detail, but best to be accurate. From the Company Secretary: 'I am also informed that all of the eighteen football clubs that participate in the AFL have a similar membership data arrangement with the AFL. When a customer applies to purchase a MFC membership product online, MFC's online application process is directly linked and managed by Ticketmaster and all data is uploaded onto the Archtics database..... If a customer applies to purchase a MFC membership through some other means (for example by contacting MFC over the phone or by applying through a third party affiliate) then the membership data is still recorded into the Archtics database.....'

They will only be able to give you the number if they in turn ask the AFL. All Clubs' membership data is held by the AFL, via Ticketmaster. Whilst you are dealing with MFC staff when you sign up or renew - the system it is logged onto belongs to the AFL.

You haven't followed the entire thread sir. Great for the Club - good money - and I suspect the same for all Clubs - was my earlier post. Just looking for the truth (for us, the AFL and all Clubs) - I am sure George will get that from the Club eventually....

That was just an example. Examples like that expalin the difference of 6,774 (over 10%) - not negligible. From the MFC itself: 'There are approximately 59,700 MFC members (this differs from the number of 66,484 published on the AFL website due to several individuals holding multiple memberships)'

Maybe an example would help. A rusted-on generous Demon buys or renews 4 Redlegs or Trident memberships for the family. The same member joins the President's Club for a year and takes out a player sponsorship. My understanding is that the Club (or more specifically the AFL as it all runs through Ticketmaster) will then count that as 6 'memberships' or 'products', even though there are only 4 humans involved. Great for the Club - good money - and I suspect the same for all Clubs. If the system stays unchanged the larger membership number published by the Clubs and the AFL will always run ahead of the actual number of members by, in our case, over 10% (the difference between 66,484 and 59,700. That's just the way it is - no drama I guess? Let's see what numbers George is able to gather this year.......

Let's work through this - you buy six reserved seats, all in your name?

That last sentence contains an interesting idea. The name of the group is easy, the DemonLANDers. According to the historical Financial Reports our President has been a member of the Facilities working group since 2016 and became Chair of the Facilities working group in 2019. The President would have to delegate DemonLANDers with some authority to get cracking on 58er's idea. Let's go DemonLANDers.

I agree wholeheartedly - you don't always have your best 23 to choose from. I reckon you can lock in another Casey flag at the very least! Good to hear that Ben Brown is doing the match sims - there were toughts that he wouldn't be doing that sort of stuff until January. Rarely in a December do we seem to have so many forward options. And Petty can stay down back - and be our rock for 10 years!

If 66,484 at the end of last year is the comparable number - you will need to change the thread to Products Tally.... At end of July 2022 we had 59,700 individual members. Happy for you and the Club to keep using the higher number (because the other Clubs probably do the same). Just the thread name isn't correct.....

The training facility is certainly taking care of itself - by not existing.....

Bursty. Looks like a creative agency - advertising services.

My understanding is that there are a few Demonlanders out there who were involved when the Constitution was last changed - 15 years ago? They speak proudly about the wide consultation that was undertaken to garner views at that time. I hope they can share those experiences on here for you. As a result of those efforts apparently less than 10 members voted against the changes. This MFC Working Group stated that the primary reason for the Constitutional change was to bring in electronic voting. It seems they decided there were a handful of changes they couldn't ignore (e.g. term limits) and then said 'here it is' to members in a clunky survey with a tight deadline which dispapeared into the ether after you had responded. There were numerous matters the changes didn't deal with - as the Deemocracy group pointed out in a submission to the Board and a contemporary re-draft. The Virtual Town Hall lasted 45 minutes and was a one-way webinar style scripted event - again talking only about what the Board wanted to change. The SGM got deferred, but no more consultation - just some drafting changes required you understand. Re the Court case I suggest you read the judgement when it is published and Demonlanders can read it (and the transcripts) for themselves. Seems like Peter Ryan of the Age sat through it? Hopefully we can then determine what motivations were at play - both those of Lawrence and the MFC decision-makers who wanted to fight what seemed to have been an unwinnable case, with our money.

Good point made about decision-making. It might be worth asking who at the Club made the decision not to avoid any privacy issues by putting out this Deemocracy alternative view when the SGM was called - it seemed to be quite a considered view. Then who at the Club made the decision to fight an unwinnable case on addresses, and protract the fight - with members' money. At least it seems he was using his own resources.

It's the law, has been for some time. Another pesky inconvenience that. Suggest you read the Supreme Court decision when it is published.

Provided it is not to be used for an improper purpose, any member can inspect and request a copy of the Register of Members.

Happy to keep providing facts to Demonlanders: Re Director Elections - Election Rule 9C(i) C. Cannot give an interview that is transmitted to the general public by way of the media, including radio, television, blog or vlog; D. Cannot post to a website or to a social media platform material that can be viewed by the public; E. Cannot send hard copy or eelctronic communications to persons in circumstances that does not satisfy Rule 9 (d((ii) - the exception to this final rule is quite long - and is on the Club website.

You didn't want to address the point on the Election Rules. So it seems you are OK with the Board changing Election Rules depending upon what type of 'characters' nominate. Doesn't seem like a fair or open process? I have an idea you might support - why don't we make one more change to the Constitution to say that the Board shall elect the Board each year, and we can do away with these pesky elections.