Axis of Bob

Because they were fleeced by noted masters of trading and negotiation ..... Fremantle. 😁

Ignore them paying pick 10 and 34 for Lachie Schultz and giving Ginnivan away for nothing last year.

Cam McCarthy too. He even moved back to WA and sat the year out from football.

Can you demonstrate this by deleting your Demonland account?

Open letter written by a random member? Journalism! I’m sure they’ll treat it with the full respect that open letters deserve.

So you don’t know. But you’re comfortable stating that the reason why he’s possibly maybe not coming to Melbourne in a future decision he’s not publicly stated is because our club is ‘a burning building’?

Did we offer him the best contract?

Would you have rather lost them to free agency? Because that was the alternative.

#thingssuccessfulclubsdo

Carlton got hold of the pick on draft night and selected Lachie Cowan with pick 30.

Yep. The Gold Coast and Brisbane picks will be available but they'll each want very different things in exchange for them. Gold Coast will want future picks and Brisbane will want 2024 points. Luckily we have both. If we get 25 for ANB then we'll have pick 5 plus 1976 additional draft points. Brisbane currently have 1281 points in total and would need 2014 points to cover a pick 2 bid on Ashcroft. So they will have to get about 750 points from somewhere (about pick 25 worth) for this draft. A deal like 25+38+45+50+61 +F2 for 17+F1 would probably work out for both parties. We'd end up with a top 20 pick this year, plus slide up a round next year, and Brisbane would have enough draft points to cover Ashcroft whilst not destroying their draft hand next year. If that doesn't work then we could keep 25 and just trade some of our late picks to Brisbane for a future 2nd and 3rd.

Gold Coast has the Bulldogs' first rounder, which is currently pick 12. That's probably just after they'd expect to get a bid for Lombard. They have enough picks after that to easily cover that bid, so it could be something like 25 + F1 for 12 + 20, or just F1 for 12.

Wait wait wait!!! I found it!!! 😁 I have amassed two posts on Demonland about Hayden McLean. They were both in August 12, 2022. The first one literally listed the statistics of McLean and Sam Weideman without judgement. This was the second: In response to your argument that McLean could be a number 1 ruckman, I responded that he hasn’t been playing ruck in the VFL, but rather that he’s a tall forward and listed the stats showing that. The post shows that I listed these without judgement of McLean’s quality, simply that we need to make sure we don’t overrate opposition players just because we don’t see them much. Funnily enough, Sydney then recruited Grundy as a ruckman rather than use McLean as the ruck, and McLean has averaged less than 7 hit outs a game this year. No offence but this is a super weird beef to have carried around with you for two years. I’m incredibly disappointed to go back to my posts and find that I was being so neutral and passive, as I thought I must have unleashed some incredibly brutal zinger that had buried itself so deep in your soul. Alas, I again find that I’m less interesting than I wish I was. 😢

Typo. Adelaide wanted Stengle out. They delisted him. Nobody picked him up. These are true. Nobody is arguing that they aren’t true. There were good reasons why those clubs wanted those players out. But SONS argued that we shouldn’t recruit players that other teams don’t want. I used these examples, which you agree with, to show that this wasn’t a good argument. I appreciate your support. Did I? I honestly don’t even remember discussing Hayden McLean nor having any particularly strong thoughts about him (past or present). Obviously you do and it was, apparently, quite important to you. 🤷‍♂️

We wanted Grundy out. Geelong wanted Stengle out. Gold Coast wanted Chol out. Port Adelaide wanted Teakle out. Gold Coast wanted Bowes out. Hawthorn wanted Mitchell out. It's not a good argument. We have paid peanuts to get depth players to complement the strong list we already had. Hawthorn paid a lot of money because they had salary cap to burn due to their terrible performances whilst we had a list with the contracts of Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, May, Lever, Brayshaw, Salem, Langdon etc on it. You're comparing apples with oranges.

Exactly. There’s no single person responsible for trades, so it’s pretty funny that some people have decided it must be all Tim Lamb.

I think it’s pretty clear that nobody here actually knows what Tim Lamb does, nor how the roles and possibilities of list additions and deletions are divided amongst those within the footy department. This is obvious by seeing those who apportion credit for previous training to Josh Mahoney but blame current trading on Tim Lamb, despite those two holding completely different jobs within the club. As far as I can tell it’s because Lamb has had been spokesman for the club during trade week rather than Mahoney when he was there. Hilarious but also stupid.

Depends who's saying it.

It's a big call but I too would like us to have the best key forward of the last 25 years.

After everything you have said over the years, I can’t believe that we finally discovered a point at which you feel shame.

It very difficult to describe a draft in a single word because it's made up of a number of people, each of whom has different attributes and are rated differently by different clubs. I think you'll get a pretty good idea from looking at how easy/hard it is for clubs to trade into certain areas of the draft, in terms of how many picks change hands and how much you need to spend to get in there. For example, last year you saw teams fighting to get Gold Coast's pick 11 (we ended up paying 14, 27 and 35) whilst Adelaide got pick 14 for only pick 23 and 26. That's because, as Taylor said afterwards, there was a big drop off in quality after the first 12 players in the draft, in the eyes of most clubs. In 2019 a lot of clubs were willing to move draft picks around in that late 1st round-early 2nd round range, which probably indicates that there was still a bit of quality around and teams were searching for specific players they were interested in for a pretty even draft (after the first 2 or 3). There were some really excellent players in that lot but some proper misses as well. Do you measure the strength of a draft on the quality of pick 1, 5, 10, 20, 30, 70?

It’s still early and I’m by no means any expert, but I currently lean towards Lalor. I think he’s the type of player we’ve shown ourselves to go after aggressively when we’ve had a chance.

I suppose my basis for saying it is that we made similar types of offer in the past for specific players that we really like. We offered multiple first round picks to move up the draft for Harley Reid and also for Bailey Humphrey, who are both strong, powerful inside mid/forward types.

I think so. I reckon that pick 25 seems about right to me (I'll wait for the clubs work out what the details of it are) and in line with what most of these types of deals usually get done for. I also think that a pick in the 30s is probably about right for McAdam, albeit probably before he had the down year that he had this year. We got lucky with Freo having a down year last year that allowed us to get Windsor (who last year traded Schulz for pick 34 and the premier's future 1st - which became pick 10), so it's all swings and roundabouts IMHO.

Then we shouldn't have played so badly this year. If we were top 4 again, as we hoped to be, then it'd pick 35.