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I’d like to have seen Brown Kentfield, Laurie and Adam’s for a start get a run of 3-4 in a row and not come on as a sub for a start. This year and last season have both been write offs and we still keep playing the same old same olds, they could easily have rotated out the bottom few players to give them a run at different stages and yet never did.

Not quite, how many players from that 2021 premiership side ever got dropped, for 4 years since that game if they were fit they played while everyone else rotated in and out for the reminding spots, the only one that really got dropped was tmac, fritsch gets a week, lever a week, but Goodwin never changed the core of that side, Trac Oliver Viney and Gawn were still the midfield core, Rivers despite talk only got a run when those players were unavailable, Pickett only finally got his chance now and we have seen how well that has gone. We had to be one of the most stagnant sides in the afl over that time, if you went over the dogs list playing today I wonder how many were in that 2021 gf team or the lions and cats sides that lost to us in that finals series.

Cully another great game always gives 110%, makes you wonder how many other players have been stuck in the vfl that haven’t been able to get a game due to goodwins loyalty to the premiership team that could also have what it takes

Doubtful on Longmire, if you watched 360 this week you would have seen the club would need to pitch to him not that other way round, Longmire was quite happy to be not coaching. I think Bucks is just desperate to coach again to rehabilitate his image after how it all ended at pies and the success they had since. Dee’s suit those needs as they could potentially bounce quickly if everything went right which is dangerous as he would be coaching for himself and not the club

It’s kind of interesting hearing the players talk they all seemed totally oblivious and that this all came as a shock, where as speaking with anyone on the outside it was something everyone had seen coming even to those who supported Goodwin staying on till next year.

Get the feeling Longmire has no interest at least not so soon. Simmo would take the call and Buckley seems very keen. I’d be worried about Buckley unless he has changed his coaching philosophy as it was out of date when he got the sack and it’s absolutely prehistoric now. Simmo was always ready to try new things so I’d be at least interested in what his ideas would be if he were to take it on. I think ultimately we need someone who is ahead of the curve and not chasing the latest fad but who knows what the next thing will be.

Also why we might get something for him, why hold onto him if he can fast track a rebuild, if we are being honest he won’t he playing when we are next in the frame

With a small sample it’s hard to draw any conclusions like that. The reality is the vast majority of coaches whether appointed as a rookie or as an experienced coach won’t win a flag. (if some one wants to run the numbers I’d be interested) My gut says it shouldn’t be a consideration and any differences are more likely due to other factors, we should just appoint the best coach we can find.

Simpsons always did it differently at WC his way of coaching never chased the latest trends, the fact he won a flag proves he knows what was doing, if he came to Dee’s i certainly think he would bring something different to the table next year. The fault with Simpson was not seeing the cliff and thinking the group had one more go in them, because of that it’s really set them back. I heard Brad Green in the press conference say we are still a top 8 side so if that’s where the board is coming from we could be trouble as they already have preconceptions of what the expectation is next year and they won’t hire someone who isn’t aligned with that thinking. It will be super important that whoever comes in gets that right, it helps no one if the reality is we are outside the 8 for some period while we rebuild but the board is expecting someone to come in and get us back to the 21-23 level immediately

McRae shows you can do both, I’d even question if a former senior coach is ever the right choice it’s few and far between that they have success at there next club.

I’d rather the 2ic down at cats than a assistant from a club who is in no better position than us.

Long time coming, said it before but he has only achieved success relative to what expectations were twice in his tenure 2018 and 2021. Can’t include 2022 or 2023 since we failed to win a final, and all the other years we didn’t even make finals and even if finals isn’t the expectation some years it’s certainly more than what has been delivered

Dee’s a genuine bottom 4 teams now

Dogs game will be 100 plus, they have been beating up on teams outside the 8 all season

If Goodwin was honest with himself he would admit he isn’t able to get the best out of this group and step aside. Maybe it’s harsh but I feel like he has underachieved relative to where we would expect to be in every season but 2018 and 2021. That doesn’t mean we need to contend every year but it doesn’t excuse these sorts of years either

The fitting result for the rudderless club we have become, devoid of leadership and direction

Today was a coach killer if I ever saw one, Goodwin seems to repeat the same message every loss this year but clearly it’s getting no traction with the players. If the club has any backbone left they will sack him first thing Monday

We deliberately lost the game I just can’t for the life of me work out why

Looked like a preseason zero pressure game most of the night least from our side, to many players look like they ready to head to Bali in a month. Most disappointing is blues didn’t look to much more interested, if dees had of given 2 [censored] the game was ours to win. Where would we be without Kozzie, basically every attacking play was either finished or started with him if only a few more player had his level of endeavour. lot of senior players lowered there colours tonight if the club persists with this group we only have ourself to blame when we get more of the same next year.

Only positive is we are further behind

I seem to recall us copping it for getting 23k vs gws in round 1 in the pouring rain on a late Sunday afternoon while the f1 gp was on. Never want to hear another word from anyone in the media about our crowds being bad again unless they apply it equally

Funny looking back at trac you can see everything he is today both the good and bad really shows how little the core of who they are changes

It’s a bit glass half full or half empty, if we can start being more consistent vs teams outside the 8 and still perform vs the teams in the 8 as we already have then we would be in the 8, I guess that’s all I’m suggesting. If you want to take it the other way that our true level is that of a side round 14th and we got lucky in a few games vs top sides then I could also see your point

Found this graphic representing teams vs top 8 and bottom 10 sides this year and noticed we are currently the 9th rank side and best performing side outside the top 8 vs top 8 sides, the 8 sides above are the current top 8. Conversely we are the 14th best side against bottom 10 teams. We should be even higher vs top 8 sides if we just closed out the games vs gws and pies too. All this goes to show maybe we aren’t as bad as people think and not as far off as it looks

Think the issue is most high picks even if they are raw you can see something special even if it’s just a single action in a game, kolt hasn’t shown that yet leading many to question his high selection, much in the same way they have with Jefferson the only difference there is because he is a tall there isn’t the expectation quite so soon. Personally I agree he needs more time but I do struggle to see why he was taken so high not that it’s his fault more a question for the club