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Sad that it might end like this but if we are being honest he’s probably not in the best 22 if everyone is fit. I wouldn’t rule him out either it’s quite clear he has played under duress for a while now and if he could get 100% he could still be in the side.

Well it’s a fair point the media always fail to answer when talking about such trades and why contracted players who have value rarely are able to be traded unless the club is actively pushing them to go ie Grundy

Good pickup and exactly what a team like cats does and everyone would call them geniuses when it kept them in the hunt. He’s a free agent so he would cost us nothing other than cap space so unless he is costing us the world I don’t see a downside

Unless you are able to bring in that another A grade player to replace trac it’s still a net loss, pies completely botched there salary cap and had no choice and then got very lucky they landed on there feet by getting a generational player for nothing in daicos. We are under no such cap pressure so far as I’m aware and have no daicos in the pipe line either, all we would be doing is freeing up cap space and weakening our list for no reason. There is no reason we need to offload trac in advance of sounding out other players.

The problem is unless we are lucky with who wants him the trade it will be very one sided if you were to allow it, if it’s picks we would want to start with a top 5 pick and go from there which essentially limits you to WC, Richmond and Essendon none of whom would be interested I’d assume. In a player swap who is going to give an equally good player back when it’s essentially a net zero gain unless the player is already wanting out, and there is only 2 of those we know of in the market anyway in Merrett and Charlie Curnow. I think the reality is we are going to need to back in the new coach to get trac back to his best

After least year Morris is being a little more cautious in this reporting, all the same issues that prevented a trade least year still exist and just like we see with Merrett and Charlie the mechanics to get one of these big trades off the ground makes it to hard to get a deal done

Anyone know if he starts immediately or will he finish the year at the cats

Not sure what his style is but I’m looking forward to finding out

Seems overs to me, our 2026 first round is more than likely a top 10 pick and possibly in the 1-4 range. As for Koltyn you are effectively giving him up for nothing. Think you would get much better price by splitting them up if that’s the way to go

Least this is a player who is somewhat proven, I’d put him like melksham, Hibberd or Langdon when we picked them up, issue since 2021 is we have only targeted players that aren’t even playing senior football (Grundy excluded)

We need what we can get, we are wanting in all parts of the ground for quality players

Hard to put players against other players from vastly different eras but he certainly stacks up against anyone you would care to put him against, the fact he is so respected by the entire football world says as much, never in my lifetime has someone from Melbourne had that level of respect in the broader football world, Barass is the only one that comes to mind but I never saw him play.

May will be in the oldest dozen players in the AFL by the time next season starts, safe to say any physical issues he has this year will not improve and only continue to get worse. As much as I love what May did in our premiership year it’s clear he is starting to become a liability on field (statistically the worst 1v1 defender in the afl this year) , I think we can move past him next year and not miss a beat. Not even considering his off field issues and personality clashes too.

More a question about our whole season than this game specifically, we went 0 and 5 in games decided by a goal or under, if we went 5 and 0 we finish on 12 wins and a positive win loss record. Are we just unlucky or is this just a result of our general lack of skills under pressure when compared to other teams and something that will persist until this can be rectified.

That makes it 5 games lost by a goal or less and 0 won, not sure if that’s a good or bad thing, either we are only a few small changes from turning things round to some degree or we are a team that goes to water when the pressure is on.

The 2010 pies grand final winning team is the youngest in afl history, when he took over in 2012 they were still extremely young for team that had made back to back grand finals, they were the opposite of aged list, bucks took over a side that should have been in contention for years to come.

I’d like to have seen Brown Kentfield, Laurie and Adam’s for a start get a run of 3-4 in a row and not come on as a sub for a start. This year and last season have both been write offs and we still keep playing the same old same olds, they could easily have rotated out the bottom few players to give them a run at different stages and yet never did.

Not quite, how many players from that 2021 premiership side ever got dropped, for 4 years since that game if they were fit they played while everyone else rotated in and out for the reminding spots, the only one that really got dropped was tmac, fritsch gets a week, lever a week, but Goodwin never changed the core of that side, Trac Oliver Viney and Gawn were still the midfield core, Rivers despite talk only got a run when those players were unavailable, Pickett only finally got his chance now and we have seen how well that has gone. We had to be one of the most stagnant sides in the afl over that time, if you went over the dogs list playing today I wonder how many were in that 2021 gf team or the lions and cats sides that lost to us in that finals series.

Cully another great game always gives 110%, makes you wonder how many other players have been stuck in the vfl that haven’t been able to get a game due to goodwins loyalty to the premiership team that could also have what it takes

Doubtful on Longmire, if you watched 360 this week you would have seen the club would need to pitch to him not that other way round, Longmire was quite happy to be not coaching. I think Bucks is just desperate to coach again to rehabilitate his image after how it all ended at pies and the success they had since. Dee’s suit those needs as they could potentially bounce quickly if everything went right which is dangerous as he would be coaching for himself and not the club

It’s kind of interesting hearing the players talk they all seemed totally oblivious and that this all came as a shock, where as speaking with anyone on the outside it was something everyone had seen coming even to those who supported Goodwin staying on till next year.

Get the feeling Longmire has no interest at least not so soon. Simmo would take the call and Buckley seems very keen. I’d be worried about Buckley unless he has changed his coaching philosophy as it was out of date when he got the sack and it’s absolutely prehistoric now. Simmo was always ready to try new things so I’d be at least interested in what his ideas would be if he were to take it on. I think ultimately we need someone who is ahead of the curve and not chasing the latest fad but who knows what the next thing will be.

Also why we might get something for him, why hold onto him if he can fast track a rebuild, if we are being honest he won’t he playing when we are next in the frame

With a small sample it’s hard to draw any conclusions like that. The reality is the vast majority of coaches whether appointed as a rookie or as an experienced coach won’t win a flag. (if some one wants to run the numbers I’d be interested) My gut says it shouldn’t be a consideration and any differences are more likely due to other factors, we should just appoint the best coach we can find.