I have a relative who's friend of a friend that is high up in the Red Bull fraternity, it appears that CP5 is still exploring a trade to the pies or carlscum, the deal appears to be Carlton will deal Walsh and Owies plus a F1 for CP5 with the pies trying desperate to top them with a deal including the bloke who retired Gus as well as De Goey and some pick swaps, the bloke who clocked Gus said he owes the Dees, so is willing to come, they are still trying to find the other bloke in L.A. when I get further mail from my sisters girl friend's boy friend, I will post more. Stay tuned as Norf has not given up on Tracc just yet, with the saints still sniffing and Dawks and Bumbers willing onlookers.